in "some" years, the tech can be put into Switch form factor, yes
will it be cost effective? will Nintendo do it? will it have a decent battery life? i don't know, probably no for all 3
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Credit Suisse upgrades Nintendo rating, expects 130m Switches by 2022
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in "some" years, the tech can be put into Switch form factor, yes
will it be cost effective? will Nintendo do it? will it have a decent battery life? i don't know, probably no for all 3
Once again, in the physical universe we occupy, the Nintendo Switch is simply not engineered to allow for an external dock that augments its GPU and/or CPU. You are asking for literal magic.
gundamkyoukai
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Your joking right ?
Switch already less powerful than PS4 which tech has been around 4 plus years .
It also has less ram .
And you are saying in 5 years switch 2 going to have a near 2.5 times PS4 power ( which is PS4 Pro)
Better cpu and more ram when they only have 1 die shrink that going to happen anytime soon.
Shadowfrosty
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To most people that say this sort of stuff, most technology might as well be magic considering just how little the general public understands it and even those that do work with this stuff many don't really know how exactly it all works too... technologies are complicated and I don't find it that dumb that people wouldn't know this sort of stuff either.
JonnyDBrit
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Probably somewhere in the region of 6 million units, though difficult to say precisely because we don't have exact and up to date sales numbers for most regions.
That already exists it's called using the Switch without the dock.
It could.
it's still suboptimal because:
1.the price you pay is for the full experience handheld and stationary console, a portable Switch could be priced under 200 USD / 200
2. the battery life of the Switch right now is laughable.
Not in itself. PS4 and XB1 have launched there, yet predictions for them are not in any way significant (for example, about 3 million "legal" consoles at the end of 2018 via a prediction by Zhuge), so for Switch to be a smash hit there, it needs to do more than just launch there. That's where the rumoured Tencent partnership comes into play, of course, putting Nintendo in prime position to be market leader in consoles in China if true.
Astral Dog
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Lol no way 😂
Skittzo0413
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1) The actual manufacturing cost of the dock is likely quite low, probably close to $20-30 max (pulling that right out of my ass) so there's no way that would knock off $100
2) The battery life is the same as the OG 3DS's and selling a dockless Switch would not change that.
This guy gets it. Credit Suisse's original 70 million prediction seems very reasonable, actually, and would put the Switch roughly tied with the 3DS as Nintendo's 4th biggest device ever (Behind DS, Wii, GB, and GBA).
Of all the three console manufacturers, Nintendo would be the absolute best for Tencent to partner up if the deal include something like the license of Nintendo's IP in Tencent's games where Mario / Pokemon etc. have universal appeal worldwide.
Nintendo could easily figure out on how to bring the cost of a portable switch under 200 USD, it's not like the tech inside is massive (this would be for a late 2018, early 2019). Just make non-detachable Joycons, no port for the docking station and this will already give room for a larger battery.
Basically what I am asking for is a PS Vita successor, but from Nintendo ^^
Jaded Alyx
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It really won't. Have you seen the internals of a Switch and the size of the battery?
Theonik
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The point here is you can save quite a bit on the frame by not having the controller rails, can eliminate the charging mechanism and batteries for the joycons and possibly make HD rumble smaller. This could easily add a good 40% to the battery that can fit in the new frame.
yukianderson
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MemoryHumanity
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People are still buying a 240p handheld now, soooo...
There is why you think it's impossible. The die Switch uses is 20nm flat transistor, currently 14nm/16nm is the standard and what ps4 pro uses, after that is 10nm/12nm, then 7nm. While Ps5 is going to be built on 7nm in 3 or 4 years and offer 2 node shrinks over pro, Switch doesn't only have 3 node shrinks but also 3D transistors to move into. To think that a device like the switch can be built with 3tflops+ Nvidia 2021 architecture of performance to meet pro's 4.2tflops AMD 2016 architecture performance.
Should be about 7 million right now. The total as of June 30th was 4.7m; April, May and June the Switch sold an average of 660k units per month to reach the 2 million sold in that time frame, so July and August produced a minimum 1.3m but we also heard officially from Nintendo that stock increased at the end of July and into August, and with large stock available for Splatoon, it seems that the number should be higher, also we are 2/3rds of the way through September, so ~1.8m + 4.7m should be our minimum with Nintendo saying that it is higher, in that they increased stock and the device continues to sell out.
yukianderson
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GAF is never been known for making great predictions. It will be epic comedy gold in a few years just like the next gen one.
Graphics Horse
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The idea that a literal Switch+Joycons sized single unit wouldn't have more room for the battery is silly, because at the very least you'd have extra room where the left Joycon normally slots in.
If you want something smaller than that, have you seen the size of the cooling fan and vent? It's the next biggest component after the battery. A die shrink on a handheld only version could get rid of that and you'd still have room for everything even with a smaller screen.
A little off. Switch has a 20nm chip from 2015, so it has a several steps ahead of it depending on when the next one comes out and what Nvidia's road map ends up being. It looks like the upcoming Volta based Tegra would match up well against current base consoles, so it's not a stretch say we will see a Tegra with the power of something like the Pro by the early 2020s.
Skittzo0413
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Ah I thought you were referring to doing this now, with the base Switch hardware and just selling it without the dock.
Yeah in a few years I wouldn't be all that surprised to see something like what you're describing but I also wouldn't be surprised if they forgo that too, seeing as how this is selling like a handheld already.
Cuningas de Häme
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So, so many absolutely mad from a thought that Nintendo could do well. Why? Are you so insecure that you just have to belittle every other platform than your preferred?
yeah, i doubt this for the first switch.
Its not as if Switch isnt a roaring success out of the gate, but nintendo can only sell as much as they can manufacture, and even then, its hard to estimate the limits of demand once users who are still the initial lot trying to find one finally manage to get a hold of one.
I'll say it goes as far as 3DS in any case before they retire it with another iteration. But if that thing is also considered a switch, than contrary to my previous statement, the numbers counted technically could go on far longer than expected, and in that way, the limitations for their growth potential are expanded
Its not as if Switch isnt a roaring success out of the gate, but nintendo can only sell as much as they can manufacture, and even then, its hard to estimate the limits of demand once users who are still the initial lot trying to find one finally manage to get a hold of one.
I'll say it goes as far as 3DS in any case before they retire it with another iteration. But if that thing is also considered a switch, than contrary to my previous statement, the numbers counted technically could go on far longer than expected, and in that way, the limitations for their growth potential are expanded
Yeah makes much more sense when you think that way
No happening =(
They need to make a factory here for it to work and no way they are doing ... and using handhelds on public transport is suicide here
Im not a hardware engineer but what makes you think its not possible ? Is networking not an option ?
fredrancour
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Using the USB port to plug in an external GPU would never work well enough to pass as a generational leap, and there's not some dedicated expansion slot built in to offer a better potential connection
Is networking not an option? I saw patents from Nintendo regarding some kind of cloud dock. Thats why I think they are working on this behind the scenes.
Unknown?
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Yeah no way. I doubt even 100M considering 3DS couldn't even pull those numbers.
I mean, 3ds was failing pretty hard out of the gate, and had to drop price before it started to sell. Switch is selling great with a high price, so it has more potential than 3ds had and should under normal circumstances outsell 3ds.
I doubt it sells 130 million. Would be happy for Nintendo and consumers if it did. IMO out of the"Big 3" Nintendo is the most vital for the industry and best for the industry.
I think anything north of 100 million is a good showing for the system. (Growth over 3DS+WiiU)
If it only sells the same as the 3DS; that's........not good
I think anything north of 100 million is a good showing for the system. (Growth over 3DS+WiiU)
If it only sells the same as the 3DS; that's........not good
That's coming out sometime before Christmas.
china tho?
Theonik
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What makes you think it would be using USB?
Gotdatmoney
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130m? Naw. 100m? yeah probably.
Yep, pretty tall order w/out access to China