When money is involved the worst in people come out. I've seen similar shit happen over stuff like rent agreements too.
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Crowdfunded game "Ant Simulator" cancelled
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anonymous_abc
Member
Judging them by a picture is just wrong either way.
boredandlazy
Member
There are so many captions I can think of for this pic, almost none of them appropriate.
I'm sure they wouldn't mind him finishing and releasing the game. But they would be entitled to their share of the profits, which I'm sure the creator does not want. Morals and good feelings aside, they really have no logical reason to relinquish their portions of the company back to him.
$4K isn't even that much and certainly not worth ruining a relationship over. Though maybe they never really thought of him as a friend.
ScientificPizza
Banned
they look like the borrowed their suits from their dads
this is a shame. that alpha footage looked really nice
Don't forget that he said it wasn't just the Kickstarter money, but also his personal investment money. And even if that wasn't very much, man it makes it so much more of a kick in the balls.
Poltergust
Member
The ~1 year old comments from her in the bottom of that page said that she showed it off at a couple of public events and was about to ship it. Were those lies?
That's why I said they probably were never his friends. Such a scumbag move.
FantasticMrSnake
Member
If that's true, It sound really really dark, but I'm sure there is a lot of thing about this we don't know, I don't think they spent everything without him notice, what was like? something like them telling him "The money run out, sorry" It sounds weird.
They are probably talking business and shit in that photograph. Totally legit businessman behaviour.
I also like how they didn't want their dress up go to waste by adding that extra photo below their short bio, and how they slightly altered the colours of their ties so their photo op seems less like 5 minutes apart!
Also:
They joined the really long and established ETeeski in 2014.
You are missing the point, if you are talking about my post.
Feel free to check out their "About Us" from September last year and compare it to how it is now. Absolute scumbags.
Hopefully this happened before he eventually makes it big so he can piss on these guys from a great height.
Edit: And the history from back then, which is now suspiciously completely absent from the new page:
Hopefully this happened before he eventually makes it big so he can piss on these guys from a great height.
Edit: And the history from back then, which is now suspiciously completely absent from the new page:
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Internet gonna internet. It's never a good idea to take what one side says for the truth without even listening to the other side. This could just as easy be someone trying to take the easy way out and blame someone else. In this case it probably won't be but the lynch mob is already in full effect in any case. If the same picture as the one above had the headline "teen geniuses cure cancer" next to it everybody would be like oh these guys look so nice and a bit geeky. It's all about context which makes judging someone based on a picture totally pointless.
Don't make up your mind about someone just because random internet guy says something, people lie. Our justice systems work on proving your guilt, not proving your innocense.
Don't make up your mind about someone just because random internet guy says something, people lie. Our justice systems work on proving your guilt, not proving your innocense.
funkystudent
Member
Was it the guy with the beard that spent all the money on drink and strippers?
Please dont be the guy with the beard.
ZackieChan
Member
This is nonsense
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I see what you did there.
ZackieChan
Member
That single incident amongst a vast sea of successfully-delivered projects is why you stay away from Kickstarter?
Truth is an absolute defense to defamation.
Brazzers?
I kind of wish it wouldn't get too much coverage. The press only seems to cover the negative aspects of Kickstarter and crowd funding, while ignoring all the awesome stuff that's coming out of it. At least the good news doesn't get sensationalized. So you're left with the impression that this kind of thing is rampant, when that isn't the case at all. I was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal a year or so ago about Kickstarter failures, and I could tell that the interviewer was trying to get me to be negative about Kickstarter. I didn't. Story didn't come out or didn't feature me.
They can sue him for defamation, sure. You can sue anyone for defamation. You'll also have to hire lawyers to do it, invest time and money into the case, and if it can be easily proven that everything he says is true, you're not going to win. He's not an employee btw, he was a partner. It was a company set up by three friends, one of whom did all the work (him), and the other two are business grads who apparently spent all the money they were supposed to be managing. Said company is also literally named after the guy who did all the work, who has since left the partnership because he had enough of the bullshit.
They look like real trustworthy men.
I can imagine the conversation between the "business partners" what to do with the money went like
"So, what should we do with the money... I really didn't think about what we should do with it..."
"Uhm... oh, we could totally throw some party or something with it, right? How about we just go to a club and buy a shit ton of booze and get some strippers, that's cool with you right?"
"Oh, that sounds awesome! We could like go out and eat too whenever we want!"
This is the most basic ass way to waste money ever.
ZackieChan
Member
That's like Breaking Bad Season 1 Jesse levels of basicness.
They should have thrown it out their car windows.
Muskieratboi
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Gamer @ Heart
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He said in a post to the video, a counter suit would get him nothing except the loss of his time and money.
He values the time saved by cutting ties and moving on much more than trying to pick up a few pieces left
ZackieChan
Member
You don't win "in a day," no matter how right you are. Also, it's expensive as fuck to litigate. Unless it's small claims court. What's the amount of money at issue?
TheSpoiler
Member
Two things.
1. You say he could be taking the easy way out. Dude could have bounced with that cash if that was the case, but he's refunding it all. There are much, much better methods of ignoring responsibility over actually taking the time to give the money you took back to the consumers.
2. He signed a contract. Things like that, unless filled with holes, are drafted so that if court cases arrive, he'd be dead in the waters. The justice system isn't as simple as you might think it is.
I suggest you read over the OP again.
Definitely, I have full confidence that Schreiber can write a great piece and shame these assholes.
If you look at the nature of the company and think about how much money could have been invested into it at most, it makes a lot of sense why he would choose to refund 4k, cancel the game, and walk away from this instead of suing.
Could he sue and prove that his two partners were negligent and did not live up to their end of the business agreement? Sure. But how much time and money would he spend to win, and what would he win? The Kickstarter got 4k, how much more money did they invest into the company? 10k? Let's say there's 20k in the pot that got wasted on booze and strippers. How much would you spend to try recovering that 20k, knowing that after all that time and money spent, you will still be in the same place - alone and without a company. The only difference would be that you can release Ant Simulator.
His main priority now is to distance himself from people who he went into business with before finding out that they were terrible with money and had no intention of doing legit business with his skills. So yeah, cutting and running seems like the smarter choice if he feels he can quickly set himself up and continue making games and tutorials which will make him money without all that headache.
Could he sue and prove that his two partners were negligent and did not live up to their end of the business agreement? Sure. But how much time and money would he spend to win, and what would he win? The Kickstarter got 4k, how much more money did they invest into the company? 10k? Let's say there's 20k in the pot that got wasted on booze and strippers. How much would you spend to try recovering that 20k, knowing that after all that time and money spent, you will still be in the same place - alone and without a company. The only difference would be that you can release Ant Simulator.
His main priority now is to distance himself from people who he went into business with before finding out that they were terrible with money and had no intention of doing legit business with his skills. So yeah, cutting and running seems like the smarter choice if he feels he can quickly set himself up and continue making games and tutorials which will make him money without all that headache.
That has nothing at all to do with the subject here, just saying. Maybe you should read the thread!
Diprosalic
Banned
after reading this post i thought "why would The Sun (thesun.co.uk) tell her to not publish this".
Frozenprince
Banned
The fact that she (and her "Brother") posted on KickFailure about it and yet, still nobody got the game, is actually really funny.
Honestly her being crazy is probably just BS she used to steal money from people.
Gaming Kickstarters being legit is largely the norm, so no, this is highly unusual. Nice drive-by post, though. A solid 7.8/10.
potatohead
Member
Good on him being honest and letting everyone know.
Those partners are complete assholes.
If true, the creator made the correct choice. Refunding $4,000 of kickstarter money instead of investing time, effort and money in a potentially lenghty lawsuit that may not have the desired outcome is the sensible thing to do. Unfortunately that means his ex-partners are getting away with it.
VibratingDonkey
Member
What utter scumbags.
Should've partnered up with Ahmed Othman.
Should've partnered up with Ahmed Othman.
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