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Daniel Craig will return as James Bond.

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traveler

Not Wario
They need to nail this script or this is a total waste. I still think Craig has it in him to deliver a great performance, even aged as he is. I'm going to be legitimately disappointed if his run ends up with only 1 good film after the incredible promise of CR.

They can start by discarding all running plotlines and just giving us a single movie thread- no history between James and the villain, no setup for another one- just James on a mission to deal with another super villain.

And QoS > Skyfall. Incredible cinematography doesn't excuse wasting Bardem, making the villain and his plot too personal to James, a truly stupid scheme, and yet another "gotta go on rogue from the agency to get shit done" story.
 
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Sloane

Banned
Bobby Roberts said:
Those movies weren't good because he directed them

They were good because they're the two best scripts the series has gotten since in the past 20+ years.
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Yup. Don't know why people are blaming Craig for Spectre either, nobody could have done better with that mess of a script.
 
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Spaghetti

Member
As bored as he looked during Spectre, you can't really blame him. I think he knew the film was going to be sub-par. Give him a shot of going out on a high note, along with his dumptruck of cash.

Not sure he ever got on with Sam Mendes, so a change in director may help. I know a guy who worked on Spectre, who knows another guy who worked on Skyfall, and dished some dirt about an incident between Daniel Craig and Mendes that ended up shutting production down early for the night.
 
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traveler

Not Wario
Bobby Roberts said:
You need to care about who's writing this motherfucker.

Bond movies don't need great directors to turn out great Bonds.

Martin Campbell is the proof of that.



This will never make any sense to me on any level.
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I mean, I gave the reasoning there. Feel free to disagree.

I will say I really enjoyed Skyfall the first time I watched it- certainly much more so than the first time I saw QoS. It is a beautiful film and QoS feels more like a mediocre Bourne flick than a mediocre Bond, but at least it doesn't indulge in the James centric storytelling Skyfall does. I want to say Spectre also made me enjoy Skyfall less, as it also plays on nostalgia and a personal storyline, but does so even more terribly than Skyfall. After seeing it, I was just tired of those elements in general and wanted to return to a fresh storyline like CR had, so Skyfall became retroactively worse in my ranking.

Spectre's opening sequence is pretty ace, though.

Sloane said:
Yeah. :(
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Shit. Was Haggis the real force behind CR or do these guys have it in them to churn out something better than what they've been putting out?
 
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Bobby Roberts

Banned
Sojgat said:
Isn't it already confirmed as the same two guys as always?
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So far.

If I remember correctly, Casino Royale & Skyfall both had other writers come on after their input. (Paul Haggis & John Logan, respectively)

No mystery as to why those two films are the best two of his run.
 
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Fonds

Member
Both Connery and Moore were Bonds in an era where schtick acting and "macking on girls" 1/3 their age was the standard. They are both terrible in that regard.
Theyre a tie for me, I guess its just about which actor you saw more as a kid.

Dalton was the first Bond to bring the movies up contempory standards back then.
Pierce was a step back from Dalton. Horrid one liners and inconsistent scripts didn't help him.

Then Craig took over and was actually a Bond not just worth watching as a mindless enjoyable popcorn flick but as actual good cinema.
Lazenby isnt even worth a mention.

1) Craig
2) Dalton
3) Moore
4) Connery
5) Brosnan
6) ... there was another?

I'm glad Craig will be back for one more. Even his worst is tiers higher than most of the other Bond movies.
 
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Bobby Roberts

Banned
traveler said:
I mean, I gave the reasoning there. Feel free to disagree.
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I do! The idea that all Skyfall has going for it is the cinematography doesn't wash with me (and even if it did - the actual filmmaking ability on display in that film makes Forster's bullshit look even more amateur than it already was - and I like Quantum). Craig is putting in work. Bardem is putting in work. Harris is putting in work. It's Dench's swan song as M. The performances are all good, which is not an easy thing with as many working parts as your normal Bond film gets.

The idea that somehow a movie about James Bond being "James Bond-centric" as a negative is weird to me. Why would that be a problem? Why should that be a problem? Did Skyfall do what it was trying to do as a story? Most of the time, it absolutely did. It succeeded at being a James Bond-centric James Bond film way more than Quantum of Solace succeded at almost everything it tried to do. Quantum is a jumbled, choppy, confused mess that gets over partially because it's short, its fast, and its bullheaded, basically. It's going to get to the next plot-point whether it's earned it or not.

Skyfall takes its time, and while it doesn't really land all its beats, it nails enough of them. There are way more than a handful of seriously cool moments in that movie. But even if you don't like the idea of the 50th Anniversary Bond film paying a little homage to the prior films in the series, I have a hard time believing those small nods actively detracted from the films larger aims.

Plus the theme song is great.
 
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Sloane

Banned
traveler said:
Shit. Was Haggis the real force behind CR or do these guys have it in them to churn out something better than what they've been putting out?
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Pretty sure Haggis made all the revisions to Casino Royale, so he most definitely was responsible for the final draft. When Sony was hacked, there was also a lot of info leaked about John Logan's first draft for Spectre which sounded a lot better than what we got -- no half-brother nonsense, no C, better female characters...
 
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ZeoVGM

Banned
Fantastic news. He's the best actor to ever play the role and two of his four movies as top 5 in the franchise.

I have faith they'll make sure his final one is great.
 
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traveler

Not Wario
Bobby Roberts said:
I do! The idea that all Skyfall has going for it is the cinematography doesn't wash with me (and even if it did - the actual filmmaking ability on display in that film makes Forster's bullshit look even more amateur than it already was - and I like Quantum). Craig is putting in work. Bardem is putting in work. Harris is putting in work. It's Dench's swan song as M. The performances are all good, which is not an easy thing with as many working parts as your normal Bond film gets.

The idea that somehow a movie about James Bond being "James Bond-centric" as a negative is weird to me. Why would that be a problem? Why should that be a problem? Did Skyfall do what it was trying to do as a story? Most of the time, it absolutely did. It succeeded at being a James Bond-centric James Bond film way more than Quantum of Solace succeded at almost everything it tried to do. Quantum is a jumbled, choppy, confused mess that gets over partially because it's short, its fast, and its bullheaded, basically. It's going to get to the next plot-point whether it's earned it or not.

Skyfall takes its time, and while it doesn't really land all its beats, it nails enough of them. There are way more than a handful of seriously cool moments in that movie. But even if you don't like the idea of the 50th Anniversary Bond film paying a little homage to the prior films in the series, I have a hard time believing those small nods actively detracted from the films larger aims.

Plus the theme song is great.
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It did strike me as weird writing that as a complaint too, which lead me to making the observation about Spectre potentially tainting it. I agree that a Bond centric Bond film should be fair game; it just hasn't worked out for me. I'm not explaining this very well, but the main point was that the villains kind of fall apart for me when it turns out they have all these resources and employees, and they're basically putting them solely to use on some personal revenge plot. The idea that Spectre was this vast criminal organization that somehow turned into a group hellbent on ruining James Bonds' life was silly and trivialized them- I felt similarly about Bardem and his bunch of goons. I also couldn't buy into the final scenario in Scotland. (Man, was it gorgeous though)

I'll agree that the performances are great, across the board. I even like the theme song despite not exactly being an Adele fan. It's really just the villain and his plot at the end of the day that gets me. Like I said re:25, I think this crew can absolutely put in great work if they nail the script.

How do you feel about Spectre? Do you think it fails because of making its narrative too personal to James? If so, what do you see as the key difference between it and Skyfall?
 
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Lima

Member
Better channel your inner Casino Royale then if you want to go out on a high note. That includes everyone involved on this production. Like get everyone together in a theater and show them CR again.
 
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Fancyarcher

Member
I see that dump truck of money finally arrived. Good, I think Craig deserves another Bond film, preferably a good send-off at least.
 
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broncobuster

Banned
I will say, it'll be nice to see him end on a strong movie. Except George Lazenby, for obvious reasons, the others didn't have the chance.
 
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SpaceWolf

Banned
I'm thrilled that he's returning, although I actually thought Spectre served as a great ending for his Bond, given that it tied up all the "loose ends" of his era.

Then again, I was one of those freaks who actually really loved Spectre in the cinema whilst everyone else seems to treat it as the worst thing put to celluloid, so feel free to disregard my opinion.
 
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Boombloxer

Member
Frozenprince said:
Quantum isn't even bottom 10 Bond.
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Quantum doesn't make the list because it's hot trash.
If there's a top 10 worst, it gets special mention for most of it being bad, short and a crappy theme song.

Best Bonds is even easier:

1) Connery
2) Brosnan
3) Craig
4) Dalton

The other two can kick rocks. The only things that Moore's final film did was give us one of the best theme songs and a tangibly connected villain to Everything or Nothing, the best Bond game of all time.
And yes, that includes Goldeneye.
 
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TheJoRu

Member
I actually somewhat liked Spectre up until the final third. It was even more of a mess than the Sony leaks had made me believe, squandering any potential they had built up for the characters and the ending was incredibly anticlimactic. I remember thinking the stuff before that was pretty good, even if Craig looked a bit bored.
 
DiscoJer

DiscoJer

Member
James Bond is part charming rogue and part sociopath. To me, Connery, Moore, and Brosnan were able to successfully portray that - the latter two had long running roles on TV basically a charming rogue (The Saint for Moore and Remington Steele for Bosnan)

Craig is probably the best looking Bond out of all the actors, but to me he never had that lovable rogue side to him. That worked well in Casino Royale which focused more on tension than action. But the later Bond movies moved away from the former and more to the later and he couldn't really carry them, nor did it look like he tried very hard to. He just wasn't suited for the scripts and seemingly realized it, so went through the motions.
 
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Timbuktu

Member
I always though CR was a bit ordinary until Eva Green's harscter showed up. The whole section on the tropical island and the airport wasn't great.
 
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ZackieChan

Member
Inceptional said:
Like I've said in another thread, they need to Logan this final Craig chapter and strip it back down to bare essentials and brute force like in Casino Royale. Have him be retired and then hunted. Put him through absolute hell and give him a real struggle and battle of wills with a worthy opponent, someone just like him.
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But that's not even close to what Bond is. I'm not a huge fan or anything, but I've seen them all since Timothy Dalton and a handful of old ones, and that seems like the antithesis of a Bond film.
 
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Kazuhira

Member
At least this is finally confirmed,i hope the man gets the proper sendoff he deserves.
I would be pretty pissed off if Specter ended up being his last movie.
 
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Rymuth

Member
The Living Tribunal said:
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Ein Bear

Ein Bear

Member
Craig's Bond has such a weird arc across his films. You go from young, rough around the edges Bond in Casino/Quantum, to tired, past his prime Bond in Skyfall. Then... Kind of regular Bond in Spectre.

Wonder how they'll play it this time.
 
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Discotheque

Banned
MadeULook said:
After Spectre? Nah, I'm good.

Unless he's actually going to put effort into this next film. Then I'll be fine with it.
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Nobody but the cinematographer put in much effort in that movie

Craig is arguably the best bond really. We should hope that they get a good director and screenplay to finish his run. He'll deliver too if that's the case
 
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kromeo

Member
Madao said:
brace yourselves for the movie that could beat Diamonds are Forever, Die Another Day and A View To a Kill to be the worst Bond movie of all time.

[/SPOILER]
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Tomorrow never dies is at least as bad those 3, worst villain ever
 
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Azure Phoenix

Member
Man, how many more years is it until I get to start watching Bond movies again. I can't stand Craig, to me he's absolutely nothing like what Bond should be and always had been.
 
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