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Denuvo responds to lightning quick Resident Evil 7 PC crack
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Beerman462
Member
Snap
12Dannu123
Member
Yeah...........that's not going to happen...... majority of gamers and people do more than just play games.
NegativeCero
Banned
Bruh. Who are they kidding?
Actually, yes this IS what people seem to imply. And its ridiculous.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
That's a shame. Hopefully piracy won't be too bad on the games sales.
Does this mean future Denuvo games or going to be cracked earlier?
blankslatenator
Banned
Given that, these days, a game's value is based on how much a player "can't wait" to play a game, Denuvo is still having a significant impact on keeping pirating players from access enough to put pressure on buying or even preordering.
justsomeguy
Member
Agreed. We live in a world where stealing content is a societal norm - whether that's game piracy or music piracy or whatever.
There is more content out there than you can ever consume. If a game has decent DRM, and you're someone who culturally and habitually pirates then maybe you'll buy it but maybe you'll just play one of the dozens of other cracked games and either wait a few weeks until the new one is cracked or just not bother with it.
So I don't buy the argument that piracy doesn't harm sales just because denuvo-enabled sales figures aren't significantly higher than non-denuvod titles. That's a false conclusion because you're only considering a single title in isolation and not the broader landscape.
Woo-Fu
Banned
So you don't buy any games on Steam at all?
Woo-Fu
Banned
There is a window around release where your group gets street cred for cracking a title before anybody else. Nobody gives a shit if you crack it a year later.
Sword Of Doom
Member
It's just such a difficult thing to calculate though. How many of those people would actually buy the game if they couldn't pirate it? I think that's where the argument "they're not losing sales" stems from. It does make sense but of course there are probably people who would buy the game if they couldn't pirate it. It's just not as black and white as people make it out to be.
There's no way to tell. How an individual would act if the conditions were different. But I find it hard to assume that if all games had DRM that lasted forever, would be pirates would stop gaming altogether.
you have to assume, however, that at least some pirates are actually downloading games that they are genuinely interested in. If someone has no other way to get something they heavily desire, they'll get it the legal way.
DRM-less games on Steam can be launched off the Steam UI directly from the folder while being offline altogether. Denuvo prevents you to launch your game offline if you hadn't logged in and started the game while being connected to internet. That's a vast different, and it's what makes me indifferent to Denuvo at first become a sceptics real fast.
There's nothing good about DRM and what it does is only hurting the legitimate consumer as always.
You know what? My friend who is always short on money most of the time and more likely to pirate games than buying it on Steam actually bough Darkest Dungeon when it was on sale because the constant updates makes pirating it cause more headache alongside the grind. Convenience DO make a lot of difference and people are willing to pay for some price if it is available to them.
That's the usual experience you get when you lived in a third world country. It's kinda frustrating to see, but you can't do shit about it either when the minimum wage is $350, while the average big games are around $40-$60. Regional pricing leverage this quite a lot though and I guess it makes big impact on making legal games more attractive to PC player (which is why I fucking hate companies that set their game prices by direct conversion from dollars).
Let me give you a pro tip
You can't actually track how many times someone downloaded a file from a torrent by tracking how many times the torrent itself was downloaded.
And not everyone who pirates a game is a person who would have otherwise bought the game and just pirated it instead. Few people have the thought process of "I want to pirate this but if not I'll pay $60 for it." For most pirates the process is "I will never buy this game, but if I can pirate it, I will." So the game not being available to be pirated won't increase the sales from those people. In fact, many pirates live in regions where games they're pirating aren't even really available, or are prohibitively expensive.
holygeesus
Banned
Wow thanks for the pro tip!
How about the flip side then? Not everyone who downloads a game illegally *wouldn't* have considered buying it, if it was the only way to play the game. There isn't any way to track how piracy impacts on game sales, but is naive beyond belief, to believe that piracy has no impact at all.
I'm actually surprised we haven't had the other old cliche' out yet - Piracy actually helps sales, as it allows gamers to try games before buying them. Cobblers.
Interesting, I thought the refund system was a universal thing.
It sucks for Capcom but at least they got their first week's worth of sales. While I dislike Denuvo, I still think cracking it after 6 months is better for all.
Just dual boot an existing PC with SteamOS and Windows. Two in one: gaming PC and workstation unless the user requires the PC to crunch data 24/7.
My point is if consoles game library gets reset every generation, users might flee to Steam.
I'm not really convinced a thousand illegal downloads translates into a thousand lost sales. Not even half, not even 10% in real world terms. The reality is that so many alternatives exist, and people will opt for the path of least resistance. Which means, not paying any money. There are free to play games as well that create outlets for those who will never pay for anything.
And besides, the arguing point that some are making here, Valve included, is that success isn't tied to maximizing your security, but reaching and appealing to as many buyers as possible. By getting into a paradigm of fighting piracy, you will always set yourself up for disappointment. The nature of the open system will always guarantee compromise. Instead of doing the impossible, create as much value for those potential buyers.
I have never heard of any PC dev attributing their success to the strength of their copy protection xD.
And besides, the arguing point that some are making here, Valve included, is that success isn't tied to maximizing your security, but reaching and appealing to as many buyers as possible. By getting into a paradigm of fighting piracy, you will always set yourself up for disappointment. The nature of the open system will always guarantee compromise. Instead of doing the impossible, create as much value for those potential buyers.
I have never heard of any PC dev attributing their success to the strength of their copy protection xD.
KojiKnight
Member
DLC, patches, and any 100% digital title. These companies won't maintain their servers forever, and unlike pc you can't easily backup or rely on others to backup these things because of how the drm works on these consoles.
FrozenCell
Member
there is no windos to dual boot into, there never was and never will be - however if there was, then why dual boot instead of just launching big picture mode?
fast_taker
Member
I am more that willing to pay for games that worth to be purchased.
Quality games is the best anti-tampering technology.
It was only a matter of time for denuvo to be cracked.
Quality games is the best anti-tampering technology.
It was only a matter of time for denuvo to be cracked.
Funny story, a friend of mine did exactly this. He shouldn't really be buying games (or anything really) right now as he went through a nasty divorce and shit, and he was going to pirate it but couldnt because of denuvo, and one day later he messaged me that he caved and bought it (on cdkeys since its the cheapest possible place and kinda shady but hey better than piracy lol).
But I also believe that is the exception that proves the rule tho.
babyghost853
Member
DRM is one of the reasons I stopped gaming on pc, I avoid any product with DRM on PC like the plague. I know I could have gone with a dedicated gaming PC, but a console is cheaper and less hassle.
I'm against DRM practices, but this makes very little sense.
Capcom gets a full refund of their Denuvo fees under the agreement for this, plus they got a little dose of extra publicity and their game protected from release day cracks, which is pretty important for them in the scheme of things.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
Lol how does that affect you decision? You only buy uncrackable games?
I'm willing to bet that console version will be unusable before PC version is, though.
We will see if Conan Exiles (released two days ago) get cracked or next ubisoft games For Honor and Ghost Recon: Wildlands. (For Honor, if it's not online only).
It might be Resident Evil 7 specific. (or even specific to initial release as they chose non patched version, although that might be about timing)
There's still many big games left uncracked like Just Cause 3, Hitman, Total Warhammer, Dishonored 2, F1 2016, Planet Coaster, Dead Rising 4, Berseria.
1.) They don't. It's money that's been pissed away at this point. Makes me wonder if they'll bother with their next release. Maybe if Denuvo make them a generous compromise offer.
2.) 5 days is not a meaningful window of time to secure sales. They were touting weeks and months as their initial sales window and now the goalposts have moved for this embarrassment.
3.) The average Joe won't hear or care about such "publicity". The only real publicity is how Denuvo is no longer the uncrackable force it claimed to be, and is back to being nothing but a burden on paying customers. Which is what some of us predicted based on the same exact history of StarForce. Which incidentally, is by the same people.
CecilRousso
Member
IMHO; Well worth it, if PC focused devs also stops using Denuvo.
I was assuming Windows will be a walled garden that penalise non-Windows 10 store client. But that is the last thing I assume Microsoft will do since it's borderline crazy.
Lol wut.
nkarafo
Member
Shouldn't be bigger than the will-not-buy-if-shitty-DRM demographic.
I have only seen this once in my life within my circles. Also, you forget the crowd who refuse to buy games with such DRM methods. Oh and the people who can't afford games (the majority of pirates) won't be able to magically buy one if DRM doesn't let them pirate it.
I think there is a balance. Either way you lose some buyers and you earn some others. I don't think DRM or no DRM makes a big difference. Maybe a small one but the cost of having the DRM in your game and the frustration you cause to honest buyers with it doesn't worth it IMO.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
There's a lot of misinformation in this thread.
Early access is iirc banned in warez scene
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It is online-only for some strange reason
paperspace
Member
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yeah survival sandbox games are in it forever :-D
Theonik
Member
So releasing broken games is the best DRM? This explains some PC ports then.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
All the people here who know for a fact Denuvo doesn't increase revenue should call up all these publishers and offer their expert advice. They clearly have better data on the matter and can save publishers a pretty penny. They might even offer them a job.
Coriolanus
Banned
all that means is that "official" scene groups dont care about it. Plenty of non-official groups that will do it tho, like 3dm.
Seems to be, because they don't want to crack games that have performance issues still.