Theonik
Member
Can't blame them. Once the games do get fixed it means you need to crack them again.
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Denuvo responds to lightning quick Resident Evil 7 PC crack
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http://www.dsogaming.com/news/pirat...n-exiles-without-the-denuvo-anti-tamper-tech/
Looks like Conan has been cracked already.
Looks like Conan has been cracked already.
ISee
Member
WOW. So this iteration of Denuvo is indeed done.
old manatee
Banned
DRM is like malware that you give specifically to your paying customers. I love it when it fails and ends up being a waste of a company's time and money.
FrozenCell
Member
I actually got you the first time, but I'm not banking on the Tim Sweeney dystopia
Gamezone
Gold Member
Sure, but there are still a bunch of games that hasn`t been cracked yet that isn`t crap.
Maintenance
Member
If Denuvo dies I won't mind, I'd rather wait than have a timed bomb.
Kaleinc
Banned
You need to realize it's drm by definition and way of functioning.
And The Witcher 3 didn't sell gangbusters because it was DRM-free, so it's a non sequitur.
If a game isn't cracked at release, it means people either buy a legitimate copy or don't play and don't cost the devs or publishers server costs, etc. Those are very real costs, versus "you won't get me to buy it!" arguments, which like "X million copies lost to piracy" aren't empirically testable. So why would publishers risk money for that outlook?
hobblygobbly
Member
The main issue with Denuvo is that it still needs to authenticate with their servers when you first launch it and also does it randomly in the future to re-authenticate, so if you don't have Internet you can't play. It doesn't do it every time, but if you happen not to have Internet when it does then you're screwed. Also opens up the question if Denuvo as a business had to stop, can you trust every game to be patched to remove it? Can't always think that games will stand the test of time and the devs always will be around to do it.
Examples of people unable to launch the game because it couldn't connect to denuvo servers:
Doom: https://steamcommunity.com/app/379720/discussions/0/357286663675892018/
MSGV: https://steamcommunity.com/app/287700/discussions/0/527274088385439050/
MSGV with a gaffer having problems: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1127288&page=1
It's mostly an issue of the future, will it be playable? A while ago I wanted to play some of the NWN DLC/modules but you can't get them any where legally because Bioware took offline the service that authenticates your key, so you have to use a special tool that modders for the game made over the last few years, it's a python tool, otherwise there's no way to play them or even get hold of them legally if you don't already own them.
am pretty sure the first month of pc sales for witcher 3 had more units sold on gog.com than on steam. gog was drm free, so yes, being drm free helped the game sell better on pc.
It requires an internet activation. How is it not DRM?
Calm Mind
Member
*paging Ms. Krabapple*
CecilRousso
Member
The effect for the end customer is the same, in that it creates a depency on a 3rd party server, for you to access your bought single player games.
There's nothing about "it's just anti tamper" that invalidates peoples concerns about it.
This is terrible news because companies will never stop trying to protect their IP. It just means heavier versions will be developed. This will never ever end.
charlequin
Banned
This is mostly true for music these days but really not accurate at all for television. Even putting aside premium channels like HBO that have their own distinct business model, the networks have invested a lot of effort in making sure people can't stream current seasons of shows, can't catch up on older episodes, can't even see any given show that is streaming unless you maintain 3+ different streaming services, etc. It's definitely easier to find some nerd who has an auto-downloading PLEX setup and hit them up for access than to watch most current, popular TV shows legally online.
Historically in markets where DRM is actually implemented successfully and price concerns were previously driving rampant piracy it's not unusual to see people move into other hobbies. These days there are no markets where DRM can actually be all-encompassing, so instead in these types of markets you just see DRM-encumbered platforms being insignificant in the market and games that attack the service problem (mostly F2P titles of various sorts) being the most successful.
In typical environments, you're generally looking at an estimate somewhere between 5% and zilch in terms of sales uptick from eliminating piracy.
This may shock you, but many people who participate in these threads work in some way in the software or gaming industries and have in fact advocated for these types of positions professionally. The idea that you need to DRM everything isn't some genius calculation from the brains of the industry; it's usually a superstition that people buy into without analysis because for people's individual career it's safer to waste money preventing a fake problem than to risk letting go one unaddressed.
FrozenCell
Member
You don't have to be a nerd anymore to get your "Add to watchlist" click on IMDB to end up with you receiving a push notification "1080p version has finished downloading, stream now or watch when you get home"
Well that's true, i was exaggerating a bit.
But the point I'm trying to make is that music and tv content providers have been altering their business model, trying to treat piracy as a competitor rather than simply as a nuisance, but the deck is stacked against them, as they also have to balance making an equally attractive 'service' with needing to make money.
Literally the only way to truly compete is to offer the content to the end user for free, which still results in a less desirable service (because ads often permeate the experience).
The main issue the never-drm camp seem to have no empathy for is the fact that the MERE EXISTANCE of piracy continues to apply downward pressure on the "percieved value" of entertainment content. So even if not every pirate counts as a lost sale, you still have to account for the fact that even the paying audience has been conditioned to spend way less for more, which dampens the opportunity for profit.
It's never been just about the hypothetically lost sales. It's the devaluation of the IP.
This is the reason why, in entertainment, the ownership model is becoming a thing of the past, replaced by all-you-can-eat subscription services.
Funny thing: the game was cracked, the devs pushed an update on Steam but forgot to include the new Denuvo files, so it was basically DRM-free. Then pushed another "hotfix" to reinstate Denuvo, but it was too late. The "scene" already got hold of the DRM-free version.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Isn`t Conan MMO? Why would someone want to pirate that?
Diablohead
Member
for the initial sale
It allows you to host private servers.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/440900/discussions/0/133255957992977735/
Gamezone
Gold Member
They still probably had to pay full price for Denuvo.
CecilRousso
Member
We could have applied that logic at any time during DRM's history, and yet pushing back against it have resulted in a better situation for customers.
Coriolanus
Banned
...you do know that online functions are almost universally disabled in pirated copies, yes? What server costs would those be?
maybe interest isnt high enough, game didn't even do that well commercially; price drop after 2 weeks.
They don't crack it because the performance is still shit. They are waiting for patches or won't crack it at all.
It also requires periodic reactivation. Butthats not drm because the creators of denuvo said do.
I find this the hardest thing to reconcile internally.
I don't want people having trouble accessing and playing a game they've bought.
I don't want companies having their turnover savaged by piracy.
Giftofgab24
Member
Idk about all that. I'm sure there's plenty of people that like RE7 enough to buy it, but would still check to see if it was cracked and available for free before they spent their money.
There is no evidence companies are getting "savaged" by piracy. It's a minor factor at best. Don't buy into publisher FUD.
Denuvo age has been interesting. On one hand, honestly Denuvo hasn't been like Securom it has had almost zero measurable performance impacts, benchmarks on Doom pre and post Denuvo have shown zero gap for example, and the only user side verification issues are *not installing on more than 5 PCs a day.* Big one there.
On the other, you have to really wonder if it affects sales, devs have been mum about whether, for example, there was a big spike in FIFA sales when people had to stop pirating and start paying post Denuvo. If it did however, honestly more revenue for the game industry is a good thing and will encourage more and more PC ports and *better quality* PC ports because there's more revenue to capture.
Crackers might get it, but a temporary period of almost no AAA game cracks has given me hope that at the end of the tunnel the industry doesn't have to experience serious piracy across its games for much longer. Given the PC market is static, Steam revenue hasn't increased over the past 2 years according to Steamspy, anti piracy measures to capture the maximum revenue to support devs and encourage devs like Rockstar to release PC ports, is all important.
On the other, you have to really wonder if it affects sales, devs have been mum about whether, for example, there was a big spike in FIFA sales when people had to stop pirating and start paying post Denuvo. If it did however, honestly more revenue for the game industry is a good thing and will encourage more and more PC ports and *better quality* PC ports because there's more revenue to capture.
Crackers might get it, but a temporary period of almost no AAA game cracks has given me hope that at the end of the tunnel the industry doesn't have to experience serious piracy across its games for much longer. Given the PC market is static, Steam revenue hasn't increased over the past 2 years according to Steamspy, anti piracy measures to capture the maximum revenue to support devs and encourage devs like Rockstar to release PC ports, is all important.
FrozenCell
Member
This is Jun Matsumoto from CAPCOM Japan. I have a interested in the Denuvo Anti-Tamper solution to protect our game software. If you have a white paper about details, please send me. (ex. platform, usage, price, etc
) And, if you have a sales agent in Japan, please tell me the contact point. Thank you for your cooperations
https://torrentfreak.com/crackers-swarm-as-denuvo-website-leaks-secret-information-170205
https://torrentfreak.com/crackers-swarm-as-denuvo-website-leaks-secret-information-170205
whalleywhat
Member
In my cahntry, leader of pirates say "Zero-day cracks you!"
If any dev doesn't need Support to release PC Ports it is Rockstar. They swim in ocean of money and needs "encourage and support" to release games? They could fuck off if they don't wanna support PC players.
GhostTrick
Banned
That is untrue. Revenue were flat but it still managed to stay on the same level without high profile releases like 2015 had with Fallout 4 or GTA V.
Can you post those benchmarks?
xVodevil
Member
Wouldn't mind if that's the end of it...
Again, we know, you can sell games DRM free... big time! So yeah... imo it only supports developer/publisher laziness backed up with greed.
And on the other hand pirates won't buy depending on DRM, they'll wait, they'll pick from the games they can pick from... I rather saw potential buyers scared off...
Again, we know, you can sell games DRM free... big time! So yeah... imo it only supports developer/publisher laziness backed up with greed.
And on the other hand pirates won't buy depending on DRM, they'll wait, they'll pick from the games they can pick from... I rather saw potential buyers scared off...