MrGreencastle
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Or something to endlessly complain about when there's no news at all.
Anyway, DeeJ posted this on DBO:
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Destiny Reveal Thread
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Or something to endlessly complain about when there's no news at all.
Anyway, DeeJ posted this on DBO:
dragonelite
Member
Ooh man after Firefight and Spartan ops session Reach engine netcode which will probably be the base of this game is shit. Unless they use the competive side still dont understand how they can function that much different maybe the ai takes to much resources to have some prediction routines running.
Indeed, for early 'current gen' gameplay this looks great. If they can match the concept art in the next gen consoles, this will look stunning.
Jest Chillin
Member
I can see the game functioning similarly to what Anet did with Guild Wars 1. Hubs are the only areas that feel "massive" with everyone connected to a central server. It's still likely that even the Hubs will have "Channels" that cap the physical player limit while having Chat channels that expand across all channels.
Then the mission areas are instanced by player or group. Since they talk about being able to come across other players while in a mission it might just work like MP Matchmaking in that when you elect to start a mission it checks for missions that are already launched with space in them for you/your party and if it can't find one, starts a new one with you or one of your party as the host.
Then the mission areas are instanced by player or group. Since they talk about being able to come across other players while in a mission it might just work like MP Matchmaking in that when you elect to start a mission it checks for missions that are already launched with space in them for you/your party and if it can't find one, starts a new one with you or one of your party as the host.
dragonelite
Member
Yeah Destiny absolutely cannot use the lockstep networking model that Halo has used for co-op games (Halo 3, ODST, Reach, Halo 4). It would ruin the experience for most players right out the gates.
I know this puts up the Fyrewulf flare, kind of hoping he swoops in and goes over the viable possibilities.
Nope I'm talking more about the concept art and how they may end up translating that to the screen, the gameplay footage was bare bones stuff, hardly anything to 'see'
pedrothelion
Member
Reach was designed primarily for competitive multi player. I doubt Bungie devoted many resources to the co op net code.
I would imagine with co op being the primary feature of Destiny the co op net code is one main things Bungie is devoting resources to.
I would imagine with co op being the primary feature of Destiny the co op net code is one main things Bungie is devoting resources to.
Gordon0Freeman
Member
I wonder just how open and vast each planet will be. In hopeful for a huge sandbox for each planet, but current gen may be holding it back
Goddamnit :lol
I kinda went over it in the Halo OT:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47841040&postcount=18692
Although I find it interesting that we now know it's six player co-op. I am now suddenly remembering that the Reach Beta tested their lockstep networking.. except it was six players in the beta (3v3), not the final game's 4.
Could they have been testing the viability of Destiny using lockstep for six players that far back? Probably not, but it's an interesting parallel.
Likely just loadtesting whatever optimisations they made to their lock-step systems just for reach. I doubt the squad size has much meaning unless they really do end up sticking with p2p. From the descriptions of the systems they invested in (I can't remember the exact quote or where I read it, likely the polygon article) it sounded like they were going after a large scale centralized server approach.
Me typing "lockstep" is to you as chanting "Candyman" into a mirror is for him. :lol
Thanks for the link. From the descriptions Bungie has given for the networking, they said it would be a mix of server based and peer hosting. So that raises the possibility of dedicated servers for the co-op and PvP on a P2P basis. (If I understand your post correctly. This is not my forte; I just want the networking to be gud and not suck.)
IIRC, the Reach Firefight beta on Overlook was actually called Network Test 1, and was described along the lines of "Reach net code stress test". While at the time they had not yet announced Firefight and so it could have just been a ruse, my hypothesis is the test really was of stressed conditions; testing six players in a game type designed for four, so as so gather the most data for their netcode under suboptimal conditions.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
i get the feeling that microsoft donnybrook is going to play a role in it.
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/donnybrook/default.aspx
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/donnybrook/default.aspx
True dat
I kind of wish in the end, they would have allowed 6 man for at least LAN.
I guess they didn't have that much flexibility in their lobby UI, though, if they had to hard limit theater to 1 person even locally.
Gozer the Gozerian
Member
The scale on the white sphere is like completely and massively different between the shots from space and the shots from the city under it. This will bug the shit out of me if it's released like that.
HiredN00bs
Member
How is the scale off? Some have suggested The Traveler is what we actually call Enceladus, one of the moons of Saturn. I'm not doubting you, just curious to how exactly it is out of scale.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I see it like this:
1. P2P for the in game stuff, across all game modes and platforms. They will limit the in game numbers to small amounts (very similar to Halo for connectivity reasons). I see this as already confirmed by their statements about presenting local players in limited numbers in the meet up "hub or Miiverse" style sections.
2. Servers behind the scenes to keep that persistent universe and data. Bungie already run a datacentre worth of servers internally and externally. This will just be ramped up for the new persistent universe. It's already up and running and has been for Halo for a long time.
3. Something akin to Join In Progress and Matchmaking is behind the scenes just without menus or visible loading. It's all done with smoke and mirrors now, again I see this as already confirmed in the reveal about their technology experience combining and essentially becoming transparent as if it's not even present.
4. Look at their previous experience such as Firefight, coop, network test gametypes like generator defense or the latency hiding techniques going on in Reach. Also look at their technology in the last 5-8 years of P2P with servers for matchmaking and statistics etc. They are just expanding this to include a story universe with trade exchanges and meet ups.
5. Polish what they already have experience in and send it out to the world as one package.
If you look at their ground breaking CE = console FPS, Halo 2 = online multiplayer/chat, Halo 3 = theatre/coop, ODST = firefight then you start to realise they don't really create new innovations but refine existing disparate technologies into a seamless experience. Bungie are taking this design/development mantra to a new level in terms of no loading times, no menus (somewhat), no visible matchmaking etc. It about making it fully immersive.
Some speculation predictions:
1. All cutscenes and dialogue etc done in game engine, no pre-rendered stuff at all.
2. Most if not all story will come from character in game models/customisation. This will dynamically shape at the backend server end and future Bungie DLC releases design around the dynamic story landscape. I think the most innovation will be in this portion of design/development. A more dynamic version of episodic content if you will.
3. Lockstep will not be present, traditional asynchronous networking will be used. EPIC did this with Gears of War campaign AND horde modes. Could they pull a just cause 2 hack style massive multiplayer? Maybe but I doubt they'll go insane numbers of players based on design and playability reasons alone.
4. Further innovation in letting PSN/XBL/device owners all participate in a single universe across platforms and generation versions too.
5. The genre blurring of FPS, RPG, limited MMO and possible RTS. Again this is the innovative part but it's been attempted many times so more like iteration refinement than outright something brand new.
electricpirate
Member
This sounds about right to me.
Why? One is a clear poster shot to put the logo inbetween, and another shows it with in or just above the atmosphere which, considering it is possibly a moon, is going to look massive above us. A "moon" is much smaller compared to a planet anyway.
AnonymousTipster
Neo Member
Ew, really don't like what i'm seeing.
Laughably bad animation (but maybe that's necessary for an MMO?), bad art, awful textures and i'm getting a muddy, brown and dilapidated looking COD-esque feel.
Lol what?
Did we watch the same video?
I agree that the animation didn't look stellar, but muddy and brown? The environments were all vibrant and bright.
Twilight Gap
Member
If you're referring to co-op against AI, then I'd hope that's the case.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
Ew, really don't like what i'm seeing.
Laughably bad animation (but maybe that's necessary for an MMO?), bad art, awful textures and i'm getting a muddy, brown and dilapidated looking COD-esque feel.
what bad animation, the animation looks great to me. The art looks great, the texures could use work, and the muddy/brown is because what we've seen is from venus, expect mars, the moon and earth to all be significantly different.
Best thing about the look of the game is how clean it looks. Image quality has gotten so bad this late in the generation it's nice to see a game that actually looks hd.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
the conversation around this game will be different toward the end of the week than it is today, so reserve judgement
It's not a moon since it's position is fixed above the city.
Huh?
ElRenoRaven
Member
Yea even I'm having to go huh?
Gordon0Freeman
Member
Uh, what?
Steelyuhas
Member
Sounds like he's assuming Destiny is showing at the PS4 event tomorrow.
I don't think that's likely, myself.
Absolutely will not happen. I doubt we'll see anything big from Destiny until GDC, honestly.
Agreed. Maybe a mention at most.
I imagine we'll will gleam little tidbits from Bungie through B.net and what not, but nothing major such as new assets or a trailer will be shown off for a while.
In fact, I imagine Destiny will make a return once both big consoles have been announced. That way they can reveal the game for next gen systems and start focusing their marketing around those. Because lets face it: while the current gen versions are certainly an important component for Destiny, (established market) the next gen versions are going to set the game up for success for the next 10 years.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Agreed, seems to me Bungie did the reveal to take the pressure off the recent leaks/leakers more than being actually ready with their marketing stream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MU8lV4JXhvY
Destiny Ad that's been going around the internet.
Destiny Ad that's been going around the internet.
Yeah I was about to dig up this link. Will probably be shown at the PS4 event with no new info.
Damn, music is great. I've missed Marty.
isnt all of that from the vidoc? fanmade?
les papillons sexuels
Banned
there a new clip of what i assume is the moon in it.
ncsuDuncan
Member
"DestinyGame" is the official YouTube channel. It's legit, just unlisted. (Which is why I haven't posted it to DBO yet...)
Yeah, I'm referring to it as that to compare size since, to be honest, I don't know how else to describe it.
Every time it shows the twin flags and it just pans toward the Traveler, I smile. There's a lot to see in just a small scene that it really makes it seem like a greater universe.
I wonder if there will be some dingy almost Blade Runner esque "lower cities" City sections that are like Omega in Mass Effect 2. I'd love to explore areas like that.
I wonder if there will be some dingy almost Blade Runner esque "lower cities" City sections that are like Omega in Mass Effect 2. I'd love to explore areas like that.
lol if you think this guy's telling tales out of school. Or wait NOT telling tales out of school? I always forget how that goes.
Twilight Gap
Member
It seems like what was shown in the vidoc was built off of the reach engine. That, or they've settled into that art style.
I think Halo players will feel at home in Destiny, and that both comforts me and bugs me. The former is for the obvious reason that I [was] one, and the latter is because I feel like Bungie has gotten too used to it and/or are not taking enough risk. But we can't know anything for sure until we see some Beta gameplay. I have a good feeling that most of what was in the vidoc was prototyped off of Halo assets. Even the HUD looks like a modified Halo HUD.