BananasWithGuns
Member
Except you're not allowed to attempt it unless you go out of your way to find 5 other people OUTSIDE of the game. It's a ridiculous restriction that makes no sense. There's no excuse for not having the option.
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Destiny's raids will not support online matchmaking with random players.
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Except you're not allowed to attempt it unless you go out of your way to find 5 other people OUTSIDE of the game. It's a ridiculous restriction that makes no sense. There's no excuse for not having the option.
If you just want to jump on and play, you probably don't want to do it with the game's most difficult and time-consuming content.
Aces&Eights
Member
I'll play with you online. Psn BeOneWithTheGun
lol I don't even know what you're talking about. I've never played Gears 3 horde.
My point was, attempting something like the vidmasters in ODST FF would be a lot more difficult to complete with randoms than people who were coordinating efforts to completing the challenge and this seems similar in some regards. I've explained myself pretty thoroughly in other posts in this thread... just not specifically to you directly.
Seem to have gotten side-tracked on the matchmaking w/ lag issue which had nothing to do with my original point at all.
Spine_Ripper
Member
This is a terrible idea. Bungie is simply assuming that 5 skilled randoms teaming up and spending hours together won't work together to complete the raid. And that's pretty stupid for a game that is focusing so much on being a "social" experience. I mean the alternative now is to friend random people on NeoGAF...wasn't the whole point of this decision for me to NOT play with people I don't know?
What the fuck.
What the fuck.
dreamer3kx
Member
Yes I would like to jump in and play for hours with randoms.
Are you sure? Maybe I've had bad luck but I never heard anyone speaking in my fireteams except when I was grouped with people on my friend list.
Helvetica Neue
Member
This sound so right, excellent choice of Bungie. It makes the missions so much better if you can clearly communicate with you co-op players.
You haven't played it. You have no idea on difficulty of content.
Having the option would mean that people would be non-stop throwing themselves into a brick fucking wall when they are getting matched up with randoms.
It's a mode dedicated to pre-made groups that use mics. It's specifically designed just for it. I really don't understand the confusion, there is tons of shit to do with randoms if you want.
Interfectum
Member
Horrible choice. One they'll cave on no doubt.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Because going into an extremely difficult grueling raid that may be hours long, with people you can't communicate with, is more often than not going to frustrating and not provide a satisfying gaming experience.
The raids are not meant for casual players looking for 45 mins of fun, there are plenty of other options in the game for that. Raids sound like they are built specifically with clans and organized groups in mind.
Doug Heffernan
Member
That's terrible.
Why not give people the option at least?
They are cutting out a huge number of potential players by doing this.
Some people just want to join a game and not deal with the hassle of organizing an online get-together.
Why not give people the option at least?
They are cutting out a huge number of potential players by doing this.
Some people just want to join a game and not deal with the hassle of organizing an online get-together.
I don't understand why they wouldn't include MM. It's not like people using MM to complete raids interferes with people who want to play with their friends. Only a few of my friends play video games, and the ones that do play CoD and Dota, so it's pretty much impossible for me to actually take part in this thing.
It's not a huge loss considering there appears to only be one in the launch game, but still disappointing.
It's not a huge loss considering there appears to only be one in the launch game, but still disappointing.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Wow. I can say with all confidence that I will never play this mode.
Pattycakes
Banned
But Bungie has and has stated the same thing.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
It would be horrible PUGing a Raid IMO, you need everyone to have coms or you're gimped from the get-go.
Was bad enough doing Strikes with people bugging out halfway into it... when I rolled with others with mics, so much better.
Quality of life my friend, QoL.
there are enough MMOs with super long raids that have done it. And when a player leaves in the middle of the raid the LFG tool just looks for a new player to join.
Ethical Hedonism
Banned
Time to add everyone from DestinyGAF on my friendlist I guess.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
You have my Shield Titan, DestinyGAF
Ugh, this is dumb. What if I want to do a raid but nobody wants to that I am friends with? What is the problem with matchmaking raids? Just let us talk with them in raids. Their logic is flawed. They disable matchmaking voice chat, so therefore they must disable matchmaking raids because it needs voice chat?
And yet, people in World of Warcraft have managed to make it work.
Nocturno999
Member
Sounds great. The difficulty and requirements make it very alluring.
puffyshirt
Banned
Pretty sure he'd like the option though. Just because someone's on my friends list doesn't inherently mean we will do better at these missions. I've been matched up with some pretty awesome players.
This is a stupid move.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
I will not be happy if they cave in again and dumb down the difficulty because randoms found it too hard for them.
Mammoth Jones
Member
This will be a serious problem for me then.
If it's like an MMO raid then Group Finder feature to play w/ strangers is pretty much standard.
If it's like an MMO raid then Group Finder feature to play w/ strangers is pretty much standard.
BananasWithGuns
Member
So who gives a shit? If I want to run face first into a brick wall I should have the option. There is absolutely no downside to having the option. When you don't have the option you're effectively gating off the content for people unless they want to go out of their way to recruit other players outside of the game. Which for a lot of people is not something that is particularly enticing.
Having the option no way effects your premade groups and quality of life. Your argument against it makes no sense, I'm sorry. Having the option does not detract from being able to make a full premade group of 6 people at all.
Marketing is the same as truth? Video game companies make all sorts of claims.
Hey I don't have 5 friends who will play Destiny so my loss, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by "friends-only" I assume they mean people who have joined your fireteam rather than people in your OS-level friends list. It's possible to set your fireteam to open, which allows anyone to group with you by highlighting your character and choosing the "Join Fireteam" option that pops up.
So yeah, that would make it technically possible to attempt with randoms, and I'm sure players will decide on an informal "stand here with an open fireteam for raids" spot in the Tower relatively quickly. Some sort of LFG status that sets you fireteam to open and puts a "JOIN ME!" icon above your nameplate would be better, though.
So yeah, that would make it technically possible to attempt with randoms, and I'm sure players will decide on an informal "stand here with an open fireteam for raids" spot in the Tower relatively quickly. Some sort of LFG status that sets you fireteam to open and puts a "JOIN ME!" icon above your nameplate would be better, though.
JetBlackPanda
Member
chat has nothing to do with it.
Why? Have you not played games like WOW or any decent MMORPG? When raiding in difficult areas you need some hardcore players. Usually you get some great items when you put in the work. Playing with some randoms is a recipe for disaster.
Pattycakes
Banned
And it also destroyed WoW raiding for good.
This mode is made specifically with these people in mind though.
KrM DeLorean
Member
Can confirm, I've had random people join my fireteam when I've set it to "open" and if their mic is connected they can just start talking to you
Not sure anyone's asking to lower the difficulty. But Raid matchmaking would be nice.
Doesn't forming a clan negate the need to do this? I'm really looking for an answer to this. Is a "clan" treated like a group of friends without needing to manually add each player?
I think major thing will be communication. Right now, what we played in the beta only allowed you to talk to your fireteam. Bungie isn't doing proximity chat because they don't want you to run into that one guy screaming or playing music into his mic and ruin the game for you.
By not allowing matchmaking or voice chat with strangers, they are putting a premium on making sure you can establish a group of people in order to compete these raids. It might suck for people who don't have 5 other friends playing the game at the same time who want to run a raid and with them being multiple hours long, it may be even harder to establish those groups. We'll be fine here on GAF since we can set groups up here than meet up online but not everyone has that luxury of a community like ours.
By not allowing matchmaking or voice chat with strangers, they are putting a premium on making sure you can establish a group of people in order to compete these raids. It might suck for people who don't have 5 other friends playing the game at the same time who want to run a raid and with them being multiple hours long, it may be even harder to establish those groups. We'll be fine here on GAF since we can set groups up here than meet up online but not everyone has that luxury of a community like ours.
Ding ding ding. This is the real issue here. The way the clan system worked in the beta you'll be forced to form the group outside of the game. At a minimum we will need an option to flag ourselves as LFG to our clan and group members in game. And I still want this to have matchmaking, I like randoms
if I get this game, I'm going to have to join this group then...
The game isn't out you have no idea on amount of content, the same as no one really knew with Borderlands until it came out and they added DLC.
What would be wrong with having a lower difficulty with lower rewards for people that would like to see this content but are unable to have a dedicated group?
if there's 1 thing gaming has thought us is that when Developers tell us something its greatly exaggerated the large majority of the time.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Exactly. Wanna play with randoms? There are a ton of other options for that.
Ok but how does that affect this specific situation where you need the 6 FRIENDS formed before starting the raid?
Does the Destiny GAF Clan formed in-game count towards that requirement without manually adding each person to your friend list?