Nirolak said:Here's a giant editorial written by someone who really loved Japan and went to live and work there for five years: http://kotaku.com/5484581/japan-its-not-funny-anymore
kotaku article said:I suggest reading the entire thing and making sure that this is really a place you want to live and work in.
When foreign cultures talk about Japan, they usually talk about anime and / or manga. Usually, it's anime. Anime is terrible. It used to be okay. Now, it's not. It's inbred trailer-trash in entertainment form
kotaku article said:I don't want cigarette smoke near my organic vegetables! Hel-lo?
kotaku article said:I tend to avoid white bread on principle, eating only whole wheat bread.
Nirolak said:Here's a giant editorial written by someone who really loved Japan and went to live and work there for five years and counting: http://kotaku.com/5484581/japan-its-not-funny-anymore
I suggest reading the entire thing and making sure that this is really a place you want to live and work in.
Or try going to the party and not drinking. I literally have to say "I'm allergic to alcohol" 40 times before they'll stop pushing me to take a drink.
The concept of reading the article is that it lets Dabookerman see if any of those cultural would bother him if he had to live there 24/7, ranging from long work hours to forced partying to the types of things he would have to deal with while not at work.cosmicblizzard said:Just finished it. Sounds like he's nitpicking A LOT.
Nirolak said:Here's a giant editorial written by someone who really loved Japan and went to live and work there for five years and counting: http://kotaku.com/5484581/japan-its-not-funny-anymore
I suggest reading the entire thing and making sure that this is really a place you want to live and work in.
Nirolak said:Here's a giant editorial written by someone who really loved Japan and went to live and work there for five years and counting: http://kotaku.com/5484581/japan-its-not-funny-anymore
I suggest reading the entire thing and making sure that this is really a place you want to live and work in.
Ever see anything ever by Japan? They love themselves some ironic juxtapositions.Alucrid said:If what he said is true and people in Japan don't have a very good sense or irony or sarcasm, I could never live there.
Nirolak said:The concept of reading the article is that it lets Dabookerman see if any of those cultural would bother him if he had to live there 24/7, ranging from long work hours to forced partying to the types of things he would have to deal with while not at work.
If none of these things bother him, then that's a great sign for going and living there.
Champomade said:To me, this guy sounds like a total douche who could not be happy anywhere else than in America (and isn't probably happy in America anyway)
Here's a giant editorial written by someone who really loved Japan and went to live and work there for five years and counting: http://kotaku.com/5484581/japan-its-not-funny-anymore
Segata Sanshiro said:I don't have much to add to KuroNeeko's excellent post but I will say that JLPT Level 2 is really hard. I have Level 3 and I've tried the Level 2 a few times without much luck. I'm pretty good conversationally and can play through games that have difficult Japanese, like Ryu ga Gotoku and MegaTen. I can understand most of what I'm watching on TV here. I go to movies that are 100% Japanese and can easily follow them. It's not enough for Level 2.
I don't want to piss on the parade, cuz plenty of people are already doing that needlessly, but if you need Level 2 JLPT to get a job (and probably you will need it for what you want to do), you have to study like you've never studied in your life.
cvxfreak said:That said, I have an unpaid internship in a Japanese game company coming up this year.
You know, if everyone hates you in Japan, that's probably not really a Japan problem as much as it's a you problem. I've had a couple of culture clashes, but on the whole the people in this country have been incredibly friendly and welcoming to me.bluemax said:Ask yourself the same question I did:
Would you rather work on crappy licensed games while making a livable wage and being in a country you speak the language of.
OR
Would you rather work on crappy licensed games while making a sub par wage while being in a country where you're a foreigner and everyone hates you.
I went with option A.
ULTROS! said:What company are you aiming for?
Like what others said, learning Japanese is a good start because Japan is well... mostly about the Japanese language. Oh and I'm pretty sure you've done programming right?
bluemax said:Ask yourself the same question I did:
Would you rather work on crappy licensed games while making a livable wage and being in a country you speak the language of.
OR
Would you rather work on crappy licensed games while making a sub par wage while being in a country where you're a foreigner and everyone hates you.
I went with option A.
Segata Sanshiro said:You know, if everyone hates you in Japan, that's probably not really a Japan problem as much as it's a you problem. I've had a couple of culture clashes, but on the whole the people in this country have been incredibly friendly and welcoming to me.
Oh damn, you totally got me. Except the way he phrased it...Jackson said:Truth. (Except you can work on cool titles too in America), also expect to make 3x less at your top level positions in America than Japan. Top level Japanese programmers (not rockstars, but Senior/Lead level bad asses) make around 50k in Japan. In America you'll make upwards of 150k+
Do you work for a video game developer in Japan? If so, I'd love for you to tell me how that's going.
Because my experience with Japan's game industry (having had 3 of my titles published over there by Japanese publishers and also working with 1st parties and knowing a lot of 3rd party people who work over there.) They don't like the gaijin. And unless you own the company, you're going to be low man on the totem pole... forever.
I actually had a city council member (who visited me at my office) from a major city tell me it'd be very hard to get high level japanese talent over to my foreign game dev, and I'd have to stick with students if I set up shop there as a sister studio (and the purpose of his visit was to sell ME on US going THERE).
...is a separate clause which does not rely on the conditional of working for a game company.while being in a country where you're a foreigner and everyone hates you.
Segata Sanshiro said:I don't have much to add to KuroNeeko's excellent post but I will say that JLPT Level 2 is really hard. I have Level 3 and I've tried the Level 2 a few times without much luck. I'm pretty good conversationally and can play through games that have difficult Japanese, like Ryu ga Gotoku and MegaTen. I can understand most of what I'm watching on TV here. I go to movies that are 100% Japanese and can easily follow them. It's not enough for Level 2.
I don't want to piss on the parade, cuz plenty of people are already doing that needlessly, but if you need Level 2 JLPT to get a job (and probably you will need it for what you want to do), you have to study like you've never studied in your life.
Jackson said:Do you work for a video game developer in Japan? If so, I'd love for you to tell me how that's going.
Because my experience with Japan's game industry (having had 3 of my titles published over there by Japanese publishers and also working with 1st parties and knowing a lot of 3rd party people who work over there.) They don't like the gaijin. And unless you own the company, you're going to be low man on the totem pole... forever.
I actually had a city council member (who visited me at my office) from a major city tell me it'd be very hard to get high level japanese talent over to my foreign game dev, and I'd have to stick with students if I set up shop there as a sister studio (which HE visit ME about US going THERE).
I lost some points on kanji (what they're testing isn't necessarily what you use the most in daily life) and on grammar points (again, they're looking for strictly correct Japanese here, so a lot of the stuff you use in spoken or casual Japanese is incorrect on the test).hiro4 said:While I haven't tried any of the JLPT tests, I rank myself around level 2 and 3, this cause I went to Japanese school till the 2nd year of High school (koukou) btw, can you tell us the area where you failed?
A quick look on Wikipedia for level 2 says this:
"The examinee has mastered grammar to a relatively high level, knows around 1,000 kanji and 6,000 words"
I'm around 90% sure that I know more kanji's and words then that, but if I have to write down every single kanji and give their meanings I'll certainly fail. So I was wondering why is it so hard?
Segata Sanshiro said:I don't have much to add to KuroNeeko's excellent post but I will say that JLPT Level 2 is really hard. I have Level 3 and I've tried the Level 2 a few times without much luck. I'm pretty good conversationally and can play through games that have difficult Japanese, like Ryu ga Gotoku and MegaTen. I can understand most of what I'm watching on TV here. I go to movies that are 100% Japanese and can easily follow them. It's not enough for Level 2.
I don't want to piss on the parade, cuz plenty of people are already doing that needlessly, but if you need Level 2 JLPT to get a job (and probably you will need it for what you want to do), you have to study like you've never studied in your life.
Segata Sanshiro said:I lost some points on kanji (what they're testing isn't necessarily what you use the most in daily life) and on grammar points (again, they're looking for strictly correct Japanese here, so a lot of the stuff you use in spoken or casual Japanese is incorrect on the test).
If you went to Japanese school til the 2nd year of high school you are certainly higher than a 3. I passed the 3 after just taking University Japanese for three years.
Segata Sanshiro said:Oh damn, you totally got me. Except the way he phrased it...
...is a separate clause which does not rely on the conditional of working for a game company.
But you know, tell me how it works, Jackson. I've only lived here for three years. They don't hate foreigners. If they did, I sure as hell wouldn't be here. I've even opened my own business here and got and am getting nothing but the royal treatment. And believe me, I'm far from conforming to the cultural norms around here.
Maybe beating your chest about being a game developer like you always do on this forum annoyed them as much as it annoys anyone who isn't a sycophant.Jackson said:Do you work for a video game developer in Japan? If so, I'd love for you to tell me how that's going.
Because my experience with Japan's game industry (having had 3 of my titles published over there by Japanese publishers and also working with 1st parties and knowing a lot of 3rd party people who work over there.) They don't like the gaijin. And unless you own the company, you're going to be low man on the totem pole... forever.
I actually had a city council member (who visited me at my office) from a major city tell me it'd be very hard to get high level japanese talent over to my foreign game dev, and I'd have to stick with students if I set up shop there as a sister studio (and the purpose of his visit was to sell ME on US going THERE).
It's an English school. Sorry if I stepped on your massive game developer dick while you were trying to spread bullshit generalizations. You can visit me when you make a game without shitty controls. I'll warm up the tea for half past never, 'son'.Jackson said:3 years? Impressive. What city do you live in? Maybe my wife and I can stop by this business of yours when we visit her family next time or when I go hang out with my friends in Saitama where I used to live.
Anyways you keep shining son. You'll make it someday with that business of yours! It'll be amazing. Remember! Royalty son! Don't let them internets get you down.
firex said:Maybe beating your chest about being a game developer like you always do on this forum annoyed them as much as it annoys anyone who isn't a sycophant.
Jackson said:You mean I have relevant insight into the industry on an game board in a thread about the industry!? No wai dude! Amazing...!
Segata Sanshiro said:It's an English school. Sorry if I stepped on your massive game developer dick while you were trying to spread bullshit generalizations. You can visit me when you make a game without shitty controls. I'll warm up the tea for half past never, 'son'.
Jackson said:Truth. (Except you can work on cool titles too in America), also expect to make 3x less at your top level positions in America than Japan. Top level Japanese programmers (not rockstars, but Senior/Lead level bad asses) make around 50k in Japan. In America you'll make upwards of 150k+
Do you work for a video game developer in Japan? If so, I'd love for you to tell me how that's going.
Because my experience with Japan's game industry (having had 3 of my titles published over there by Japanese publishers and also working with 1st parties and knowing a lot of 3rd party people who work over there.) They don't like the gaijin. And unless you own the company, you're going to be low man on the totem pole... forever.
I actually had a city council member (who visited me at my office) from a major city tell me it'd be very hard to get high level japanese talent over to my foreign game dev, and I'd have to stick with students if I set up shop there as a sister studio (and the purpose of his visit was to sell ME on US going THERE).
sprsk said:Things in this thread that are true:
The pay is not as good as it is in the states.
The hours are mostly shit (real shit).
I enjoyed reading it. But damn, it's basically just one long whine about the entire country.Nirolak said:Here's a giant editorial written by someone who really loved Japan and went to live and work there for five years and counting: http://kotaku.com/5484581/japan-its-not-funny-anymore
I suggest reading the entire thing and making sure that this is really a place you want to live and work in.
It has nothing to do with working in the game industry! His comment said "living in a country where you are a foreigner and everyone hates you". Can you read? Do you know how the English language works?Jackson said:Wait which part is bullshit again? The part where you know nothing about the Japanese game industry and act like having an English school business is exactly the same industry because it's Japanese and your experience is more relevant? Or the part about you assuming you know everything about Japan because I've obviously never lived there and no nothing?
Or the part where you act like a 12 year old and make personal attacks based on your knowledge of me outside of the relevant topic?
Hey, I'm an American. I bet I know a ton about making cars and the automotive industry. I own a business too! I guess that means I know how a car making business works. I like cars. I know everything there is to know!
duckroll said:Once again Jackson comes off as a massive douche. No surprise here! :lol