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DF:The Evil Within 2 PS4/PS4 Pro Analysis
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HyperZone<3
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the first game had issues that got improved with patches, and the PC version runs great. I'm hoping that the same becomes true (eventually) with the sequel.
The pc version doesn't run great without messing with the settings. I have a GTX 1080 / G-sync and the framepacing was a constant nuisance. It never felt like the game was running at 60 fps, even though it did.
Fredrik
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Is this Bethesda's way of voting with their wallets? They explained early on when Pro was a rumour what they thought about the upgrade idea, so it shouldn't be a surprise if they aren't fully aboard. Still disappointing now that I've warmed up to the upgrades myself. I assume Xbox One X will get the same treatment.
No/delayed Pro support huh?
I definitely expect that from 'Godlike Bethesda.' They are always like that.
Actually it would be weird if it had support.
On a personal note, I never liked any of their games before and I was not planning to start buying now so it's not a big loss for me, thankfully.
I definitely expect that from 'Godlike Bethesda.' They are always like that.
Actually it would be weird if it had support.
On a personal note, I never liked any of their games before and I was not planning to start buying now so it's not a big loss for me, thankfully.
BoxManLocke
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CouchMaster
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Was waiting for DF video to see what kind of Pro enhancements it has before buying. No Pro features at all means its gone from day 1 now to wait n watch.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Was gonna pick it up for the weekend, but now I'll be waiting until they patch it. This is fucking unacceptable. Just earlier this week I was arguing with someone here that said Bethesda had nothing to do with Prey's lack of Pro support, and that it was all Arkane's fault. That's two games in a row now. If smaller budget games like The Surge and Hellblade can have excellent Pro support at launch, no reason Bethesda-backed games shouldn't either.
Is Wolfenstein next?
Is Wolfenstein next?
Well, PC version is much better than consoles but it still seems pretty sluggish.
It's a 2014 game with mediocre visuals and a Titan Xp is unable to hold 60fps at 4K which just seems crazy. I can't think of any other games from that period which struggle like the original Evil Within.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Arkham Knight maybe? Unless they fixed it.
At a minimum just "natively use that extra horse power even if it's not 60 FPS or over 1080p." Maybe for some low end games it won't make a difference, but I have to imagine for a lot of games that were stressing the system with a cap on you'd at least get consistent performance.
Oh, good point, though Arkham Knight is still one of the most visually striking games on the market versus Evil Within which is quite pedestrian in comparison.
I do think AK runs better than Evil Within now, though.
I wanted to get this game, but I am feeling the same way now....
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Yea that game still looks great even running on base PS4. Could only wonder what a Pro patch would do for it.
I have been saying this a lot but people seem to just defend Sony anyways and just placing blame on the developer only...
But Sony's support of the Pro, even now, a few days before the arrival of XBOX ONE X, is embarrassing...
They need to pick up the phone and start sending emails towards devs, or else they are going to shoot themselves on the foot.
But Sony's support of the Pro, even now, a few days before the arrival of XBOX ONE X, is embarrassing...
They need to pick up the phone and start sending emails towards devs, or else they are going to shoot themselves on the foot.
Or the numbers are in and Sony concluded that mid-generation refreshes are a bust and the console industry is already on their way out.
From a developers perspective the curve from "Pro support will grant additional sales" to "no Pro support will cost sales" is remarkable anyway.
Why is John implying that it's "common" for games to skip PRO support!? A major AAA game skipping PRO support completely isn't common at all.
Neither Sony or Microsoft have ever mandated any kind of PRO/X support. Therefore, lack of support for either system is on Devs.
Neither Sony or Microsoft have ever mandated any kind of PRO/X support. Therefore, lack of support for either system is on Devs.
Yeah you are not wrong about this. If sony decided that Pro was a mistake they probably dont care now.
But still that makes them douchebags in regards to customer support...
So, "the console industry is on it's way out" despite all three consoles selling incredibly well? Sony decided this based off the PS4 being their second best selling console ever?
Out of mid generation-refreshs, not console manufacturing.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I can assure you I was very interested to play it. People like me bought a Pro for a more premium experience, they have a right to feel slightly aggrieved that a game releasing a year after the console launched hasn't bothered supporting it. This is compounded by the fact that it's the second Bethesda-published game in a row to do this, and people don't want to support that.
Tbh I suspect most of these posters are like me and have simply downgraded it from a day 1 purchase. There's so much else to play right now that it's not that much of a problem.
How exactly is the console industry on its way out?
AbandonedTrolley
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Tales from his ass!
It's puzzling not to see Pro 'enhancements' (annoys me when people call it Pro 'support' the Pro supports the game, it's just not enhanced!)
I would have thought they could have bumped up the resolution for some better clarity. Maybe they will work on such a thing but who knows.
Liabe Brave
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It's extremely common...just not for big AAA releases.
Very close to every game does see benefits. Even this video pointed out that Evil Within 2 runs marginally better on Pro due to Boost Mode. People understandably want more, but the Pro does exactly what it's been advertised to do.
Because supporting Pro costs more money, and platform holders try to minimize their interference in devs' budgeting.
There are hundreds of these since Pro launched. It's not common for AAA games, but for games in general it definitely is.
We still don't know if WWE 2K18 or South Park will have support. Gundam Versus might not, LEGO Ninjago might not, Pillars of Eternity Complete, Warriors All-Stars, Naruto: UNS Legacy, Dead by Daylight, Friday the 13th.... Some of these may actually have support that just hasn't been announced or deduced, but I doubt all of them do. Going back further, Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3 definitely does not have Pro support, and neither do any of the recent Telltale games.
All right, so then where is this narrative that PRO/X are a failure coming from? So far, Sony has said that the sales of PRO have been satisfactory, and all signs point to X being at least moderately successful as well. Beyond all that, Sony not mandating PRO support is not them giving up on PRO. They never mandated it in the first place. As far as AAA publishers skipping PRO support goes, only Bethesda has done so, thus far.
MosquitoSmasher
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Let's just hope this won't be happen more often because otherwise One X owners will basically be stuck with the Xbox One version, so its resolution unless it's dynamic and other crap too. Just when you think under 1080p is finally gone with the new One X. Not saying it will happen and I sure as hell hope Wolfie2 gets a proper patch.
Yeah, hadn't even thought about that. A lot of games on X1 are 720/900p, right? Imagine buying a shiny new "4K" console for your 4K TV and getting treated to that. Oof.
Laughing out loud!
0ptimusPayne
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Thats two big games now Bethesda, please Machine Gun Games come through on Wolfe . My only real concern is being locked into regular Xbox One resolutions/framerates if theres going to be delayed/no Pro/X support, for games that I want to play day 1. I was planning on picking up Wolfenstien and playing it on my X launch day.
therealbigrich
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Can Sony really force devs to do pro support on games? I mean clearly they can't but ppl seems to be advocating that they should which is weird to me.
Played it at 1440p on a 770 4GB. Was decent at the time. Didn't knew it scaled that badly, though.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Realistically, they don't seem to need to. AFAIK Prey and TEW2 are the only high-profile games that have shipped without Pro support since launch.
Yeah, for AAA games, it's pretty much a given (not so much for indie games, but that's understandable given budget constraints and such, and it's not as though anyone plays those for "teh graphx" anyway...). That's why TEW2's complete lack of PRO support is so bizarre/troubling. Even with Prey, PRO support was listed on the back of the box, so we knew it was coming, which Arkane confirmed shortly after release, IIrc. We haven't even gotten that much with this game, which is very concerning.
Sony and Bethesda:
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hemo memo
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"I briefly sampled the PC version of the game and initial performance impressions are quite positive"
Hmmmm
Dictator93
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John's machine is killer and very up-to-date (and he mentions that as the caveat). If someone has an older i5 or older i7, it seems a bit CPU limited at the moment in the PC Performance thread as far as I am reading. And you also have to remember that people on PC are used to targeting 60 fps or more....
That is concerning just because those are some big CPUs still...
I'm sure the game is great (I loved the original), and I already know it looks great on PS4 just from DF's vid. It's not the quality of the visuals or the game itself deterring me here. It's the principle of the matter. As a PRO owner, I don't want to buy this game and send the message that it's OK for a major AAA release to simply skip PRO support like this. Until there is at least confirmation of a PRO patch on the way, I won't buy this game, even if it's the sequel to one of my favorite games of the generation thus far.
Well, first impressions were positive but it's clear that there are issues.
The main thing I'm seeing is nasty stuttering when using the 60fps mode. It runs at a locked frame-rate but, for whatever reason, there are minor hitches that keep popping up during gameplay. It's not great even when dropping the resolution to 1080p.
Switching to the 30fps cap, however, eliminates almost all stuttering. I've been playing at native 4K using ultra settings with the 30fps cap. I'd prefer 60 but it looks fantastic at 4K.
It seems like a moderately OK port but not a great one. Clearly you need a powerful machine.
I'm using an i7 5820k as always (6 cores) with an overclock to 4ghz + GTX Titan Xp installed on a Samsung EVO SSD.
It seems to be using all cores and threads but core 1 is getting the most workout. GPU usage at 4K with the 30fps cap hovers around 50%, though, so lots of headroom. Uncapped drives usage up to the max with frame-times ~15-20ms on the GPU most of the time (at 4K). Which means you end up with ~45-50fps most of the time at that res with the stutters.
Here's a shot downscaled from 4K with all settings maxed.
I will try. I'd like to sample it on more PCs, it's just a matter of how much time I can dedicate to this project. I'm not really looking to benchmark the game, per se, rather showcase the various settings differences and discuss performance on a top end GPU. If it's struggling there you can extrapolate that lesser hardware will have more of an issue.
I'll try it on my 970/i5 machine if possible.
KainXVIII
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Thanks! (that's what i still have 😀
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
About 3 weeks IIRC