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Dice Summit: "nobody talking about the new WiiU projects they started, only canceled"
- Thread starter Pachterballs
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This is about the third party support for the WiiU.
I think the hype for next gen might be too much. Mario and other titles didn't exactly save the Gamecube.
grimshawish
Banned
ZombiU is maybe the one but it wasn't very highly rated unless Mario meant in the community?
Dark Ninja
Member
Don't insult the GameCube it had good 3rd party support
airmangataosenai
Member
Call of Duty 2 for 360 managed WW, as did CoD3 PS3.
And that was before the series really exploded too.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Yeah, even I'll admit Nintendo made a very bad calculation with what they powered the Wii U with.
Very, very bad.
Very, very bad.
StoppedInTracks
Member
That game was Batman, wasn't it? Critically acclaimed means not COD and neither AC3.
Can Crusher
Banned
No it wouldn't. Assassins Creed 3 and BLOPS 2 are the biggest games released on the system. I'm sure considering how much they sell on other platforms that there's a real chance they would hope for something better than tens of thousands.
What else could it be? There's nothing else.
Yeah I think it's over for Nintendo, as far as higher goals go. They are now in a space where they need to recoup credibility, so the best bet is to commit to the core and really put some big new projects in the furnace and hope that by the end of the generation they sold enough and have regained some faith among core gamers, so that they can come out much stronger with their next system.
And it's time to offer a bunch of incentives to 3rd parties...
It can't be ACIII. Ubisoft stated the port was relatively cheap. Less than 1 million iirc.
DR2K
Banned
3rd parties generally have difficulties selling on Nintendo consoles historically. This wasn't the case with PS1 or PS2.
Haunted
Member
Mario is Mario Wynands, co-founder of Sidhe Interactive.
EatinOlives
Member
Yeah, because everyone keeps saying the Vita is just fi- oh wait.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Nope, the DS was kind of dead it's first year. The 3DS may have had a slight drought early on before Star Fox 64 (with some games in between before that like Zelda OOT 3D). But the DS had nearly no games (of worth) for many months before it's 2nd holiday. It's 2nd holiday with Mario Kart DS helped a lot if I remember, but the system didn't truly explode in sales for another year or 2.
PikPok head dev, formerly Sidhe who published Gripshift and Shatter on multiple platforms, and now is working on mobile stuff. This guy knows what's up.
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The Mana Legend
Banned
It really depends on the pricing, in my opinion. That'll be the main factor.
It just seems weird to bring up nintendo making a bunch of games as a result of panicking when the problem is no third party support. It's not going to do anything to fix that problem, if anything it'll make it worse since third parties seem to blame nintendo games for their low sales.
ZombiU was confirmed as having a relatively modest budget in an interview with Ubisoft prior to launch. Indeed, I think that correlates nicely with the fact that, having played through it, nothing in-game suggests that it had a significant budget. Nice game nonetheless.
I understand. Thank you.
grimshawish
Banned
What? Am not sure if you are trolling or delusional here Mana.
Panic mode Nintendo cut the price and stuck to a launch schedule.
You know what my guess is:
Activision Skylanders
Extreme seller on current gen, but not enough young kids can afford a WiiU so the series is selling rather poorly on Wii U.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Wii U Ambassador Program incoming.
I really think it's BLOPS2, as Assassins Creed 3 can't be it. Esp since that game was a month old port by the time it came out. Ubisoft would be dumb to think that people who truely wanted the game would have waited as long.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Price Drop/Ambassador Program probably aren't as "off the table" as some thought. This is pretty much the exact reason it happened on 3DS, publishers scaling back behind the scenes.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Third party has always blamed Nintendo for low sales. It's nothing new. Third party support on Nintendo consoles have been shit since 1996. Wii U will be no different.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
If they had a real standout gimmick this time round, they'd be fine. At least for selling their own games.
Problem is they've completely misjudged the market. Nobody wants a shitty tablet.
Hero of Legend
Member
Yeah, it seems Nintendo's had a history of slumps in the first year or so, Wii might've been the exception, but maybe only thanks to Wii Sports, I don't remember 3rd-parties other than Red Steel (and Sonic & the Secret Rings) leaving a mark early on.
We need those Directs Nintendo!
MuddyDonut
Member
Same here.
dampflokfreund
Banned
Not a surprise for me. Wii U is way too weak for the next gen gamer, so they just won't buy it. Everyone is talking about PS4 and 720. The persons who buy it are mainly just Nintendo Fans, for the Nintendo games and not for multi games. Furthermore, Wii U is too overpriced, because the hardware is only on PS3 level.
AZ Greg
Member
Yes, because console Nintendo and handheld Nintendo always share the same levels of success.
Pachterballs
Banned
My guess is zombiiU + COD.
that's it.
We'll see what happens when ubisoft's space aliens wiiU game comes out. If they can rejig it to be non-exclusive, I expect them to make that announcment too following what they did to RML.
that's it.
We'll see what happens when ubisoft's space aliens wiiU game comes out. If they can rejig it to be non-exclusive, I expect them to make that announcment too following what they did to RML.
Not really? People assumed third parties would latch onto the 3DS over time off of the success of the DS alone, and the fact that the Vita was poised from the start not to do nearly as well. The same cannot be said for the WiiU which was, for lack of better words, doomed like the Wii from the start.
SteveWinwood
Member
Worst case scenario for the platform is that I get some nintendo ass nintendo games for it and that's it. That's worth it for me and why I bought it. If you were expecting more than that then I don't know what to tell you.
Sadly I don't recall it helping much.
How far in the GC life did they drop the price?
Considering Iwata said they're not dropping the price anytime soon because the system is still being sold at a loss... I guess it'll be interesting to see what PS4/Xbox are priced at in comparison.
Rob Schnoddor
Banned
Selling millions on a new launched console that, by Nintendos own ridicolous estimates should have had an install base of 5.5 million by march (we all know that would never have happend) ... Sorry, but no way that goal was ever realistic, that would mean that nearly every consumer who bought a Wii U will also buy this game. Some publisher have really good shrooms in the meals it seems ...
This statement also means one thing: They never wanted to support the platform, that goal screams for "Our games dont sell on Nintendo consoles".
Nevertheless, not looking good for western support. Nintendo should just tell those 3rds to fuck off, cater the japanese ones and their own first and second party games. I don't think Nintendo could have done anything, making a Durango/Orbis like platform or the Wii U as it is, they would have gotten abysmal support in the west.
This statement also means one thing: They never wanted to support the platform, that goal screams for "Our games dont sell on Nintendo consoles".
Nevertheless, not looking good for western support. Nintendo should just tell those 3rds to fuck off, cater the japanese ones and their own first and second party games. I don't think Nintendo could have done anything, making a Durango/Orbis like platform or the Wii U as it is, they would have gotten abysmal support in the west.
GhostTrick
Banned
Also, the funniest part IMO is "high budget game". I don't see anything high budget from 3rd parties on Wii U.
Can Crusher
Banned
It's not like Wii only owners had the chance to play the game.
So Assassins Creed on Ps3 and PC and Wii U is a low budget game because it's a port?
That doesn't make any sense.
Do movies become low budget when they are released in Blu Ray?
Pachterballs
Banned
but it worked though. Some people were like OMFG wiiU games. But then they're all TBD. and farrr off. WWHD is a stopgap by nintendo itself to plug a hole.
entremet
Member
That's not Nintendo. The've adamantly said that without their own hardware they will not be in business.
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