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Dice Summit: "nobody talking about the new WiiU projects they started, only canceled"
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Buckethead
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I think that it's very unlikely Nintendo will have a Wii Sports hit on the WiiU.
Baconsammy
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Mario also said:
So before Nintendo fans get their panties in a bunch, he's not saying Nintendo is doomed...alone.
So before Nintendo fans get their panties in a bunch, he's not saying Nintendo is doomed...alone.
They were just moved to multiplatform
That ship has sailed. The first offical next gen reveal is happening in less than 2 weeks and the train will only continue to roll ahead in the following months until E3. The only hope they have is both companies really screwing the reveal and launch of their systems up as bad as they did.
Let's see. Over time?
AC, CoD, and Skylanders are on yearly refresh cycles. The refresh would decimate sales for the launch game. No sane business plan would expect evergreen sales.
So that pretty much means the game in question would be Epic Mickey 2.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I think if Nintendo is in trouble - real, layoff-discussing trouble - the biggest investors are going to demand a change.
In that respect, I imagine we won't know anything except knowing that we have no idea where it will go. For better or worse, this is their bed, all they can do is is tug at the sheets until it's more comfortable.
This metaphor is becoming strained, but I mean all they can do is hope software hits hard, regardless of what changes happen at upper levels.
If it doesn't, if it is a product the market fundamentally does not want regardless of software and price, then they probably have enough in the bank to hold off a generation, maybe two. But the more they do that, the more vulnerable they are to hostile takeovers since they'd be spending the money they'd need to use to buy back their own stock.
The Wii had a massive install base developers could chase. The developers of the titles you listed are now mostly dead studios as well.
The only one which makes sense for me. But blaming Nintendo and/or the Wii U is a bit too easy. The game got some very bad reviews which had for sure their effect on sales. Personally I absolutely love the game and recommend it to anyone - but IGN's opinion is far more powerful than mine.
You missed over time. A lot of launch titles end up selling more because they are the only quality title available for months. If something sells 30,000 copies in it's first three months for example, it's never going to make it.
LOL really. This must be a troll, right?
There is no "high budget Wii U game" in the launch lineup, unless we're talking about a port. And in that case, this doesn't make any sense.
As for ZombiU, we know the game has sold way over 100k
by the way, Nintendo should be concerned
Baconsammy
Banned
Did you see Nintendo's sales estimates? They expected it.
That would be pretty hard to do overall though, right?
I mean, it's pretty clear there's a ton of third party games in development for them, so unless they price astronomically high, they have a lot of the work of selling them offloaded to other publishers.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
What's the worst case scenario here? I think that's something worth asking. Nintendo definitely won't fold or close up shop or release their Wii U successor a year from now but what is the realistic worst case.
At worst it seems like they just have a subpar console generation, perhaps some shifts in management (aka Iwata loses his current position), and Nintendo spends the rest of the generation trying to maintain as much as an audience as possible with their 1st party titles while 3rd parties remain largely absent for the console.
That's not THAT terrible is it? I mean if this worst case happens I think the real major shift will be after this generation. How does Nintendo respond to this. To me this isn't anything like the Gamecube generation because there's so much new stuff in todays context that change the game.
edit: I guess it could be terrible because they risk becoming irrelevant but I can't imagine that completely happening.
At worst it seems like they just have a subpar console generation, perhaps some shifts in management (aka Iwata loses his current position), and Nintendo spends the rest of the generation trying to maintain as much as an audience as possible with their 1st party titles while 3rd parties remain largely absent for the console.
That's not THAT terrible is it? I mean if this worst case happens I think the real major shift will be after this generation. How does Nintendo respond to this. To me this isn't anything like the Gamecube generation because there's so much new stuff in todays context that change the game.
edit: I guess it could be terrible because they risk becoming irrelevant but I can't imagine that completely happening.
Haunted
Member
The best part about GAF armchair analysts is that we have so many, someone will always be wrong.
I anticipated WiiU to sell more simply because it was going to be a new console finally releasing. While hindsight is 20/20, I still don't know whether I overestimated people's console fatigue or if the WiiU's appeal in the face of existing console and tablet offers isn't exciting enough.
People expecting X8 and PS4 to be massive success' right from the start are in for an unpleasant surprise. Market has changed and the global economy is even worse.
The Mana Legend
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It is. The no-lag streaming ability alone is a huge cost since it's such new technology.
lordfroakie
Member
Those same devs/publishers regret betting on the wrong horse too(forgot which dev said it).
SolidSnakex
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Because publishers still had confidence in the console. That confidence just isn't there with the Wii U
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47484804&postcount=1093
xxbrothawizxx63
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Expecting any game other than Mario or Nintendo Land to sell millions at launch is ludicrous.
It makes it hard for me to give a damn about the game just because that comment makes it seem lile an obvious and typical "Nintendo Excuse" solely to justify not giving a damn about the platform.
It makes it hard for me to give a damn about the game just because that comment makes it seem lile an obvious and typical "Nintendo Excuse" solely to justify not giving a damn about the platform.
Can Crusher
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Because you are attributing the entire budget of the game to the cost of the port.
By that logic, only the lead platform received a big budget game with AC III.
I doubt the Blu Ray version of Skyfall had a big budget too. But it is nevertheless a big budget movie.
WORST case scenario?
WiiU ends up selling worse than Gamecube, huge droughts happening very often, almost zero 3rd party support, Nintendo suffers major losses, console is dropped after 3-4 years on the market, Iwata is fired
Yeah I forgot to mention how bleak of a hope that was. Sony is definitely not repeating $599 and MS having another RRoD situation is extremely unlikely.
dampflokfreund
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Then, Nintendo goes the false way, imo. They must sign, that the Wii U is worth the 350$ price, and with such a bad hardware, they can't do that.
You really think they'd announce plans to exit the hardware market "by the end of this year"? As dismal as Wii U's prospects currently are, that strikes me as... implausible at best.
I can't see Nintendo giving up that quickly.
MDSLKTR
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But it has the best lighting in a videogame!
The Mana Legend
Banned
Yeah, people really need to lower their expectations. Firstly, we won't see "OMG AMAZING GRAPHICS" at launch like so many assume.
And it's really doubtful that the PS4/720 will do better launch numbers its first month than the Wii U. They'll probably do a better job at sustaining those numbers over the course of their first few months, though.
Also, skyrocketing dev costs is a huge problem next gen for PS4 and 720.
So why are people surprised by news such as this then? This should be the norm, no? And third parties flocking from the Wii U should be the expected, not the surprise and imminent doom trigger it's become.
ShockingAlberto
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Man, I'd be okay if it were Scribblenauts.
Not that it's necessarily good when a game bombs, but fuck that pricetag. $60 at launch when it's half that (and then a quarter of that) two weeks later on Steam.
I bought the game on Steam for $7 but trying to gouge launch buyers is really poor form.
Not that it's necessarily good when a game bombs, but fuck that pricetag. $60 at launch when it's half that (and then a quarter of that) two weeks later on Steam.
I bought the game on Steam for $7 but trying to gouge launch buyers is really poor form.
Ninja Scooter
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One thing that will get people's attention, and always has, is fresh new graphics. The Wii U couldn't offer this. Not to say that Sony and MS wont' see their own struggles, but Nintendo wasn't really offering anything fresh. The system was sold to look just like the Wii. The games didn't look any better than what is out there now. The tablet gimmick is something people have been using for years already. Nintendo put themselves in a hole right from the start.
The worst case scenario for Nintendo is they ride out the generation and try again in five years like they did with the GameCube.
Technically, they've already rode out two generations in a row - N64 and GameCube - that didn't go their way.
freezamite
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In a console videogame, yes
I do agree with Mario on the statement that "next console gen could fail" Especially with the cost of titles rising, multiple companies throwing their hats in the ring ad the fact that the gaming market doesn't seem as stable as it once was in 2005/6....
Idk I still see a gaming industry crash soon. VERY soon.
Idk I still see a gaming industry crash soon. VERY soon.
AZ Greg
Member
Track record. PS3 started slow but it was coming off two of the most successful consoles of all time. 3rd parties had faith things would get better. The Wii was an anomaly when you take Nintendo's other most recent home consoles into account (N64/Gamecube). Hence Pubs/Devs realizing lightning won't strike twice and abandoning ship now.
Sammy Samusu
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Who buys Nintendo consoles expecting third-party support? lol
Baconsammy
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What his statement said to me was that Microsoft and Sony appear to be fine with letting the ship sink before attempting to save it. Any misguided pipe-dream I had of Microsoft/Sony going digital, getting rid of used game sales, and having pricing freedom on XBL/PSN is dead. It was a stupid dream anyway.
Colonel Mustard
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This is (sadly) probably pretty accurate. This gen's success won't be repeated.
TheRedSnifit
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I'm wondering what the game is. I doubt it's BLOPS 2 or ZombiU, since those have each sold well over "tens of thousands" of copies. I guess it could be AC3, but my guess is that it's Batman or Mass Effect 3.
On the other hand, I can't help but wonder how long a company that sees that big an attachment rate as a realistic goal is going to survive.
On the other hand, I can't help but wonder how long a company that sees that big an attachment rate as a realistic goal is going to survive.
Before? They were already on that bandwagon from the beginning. If that wasn't the case then most of the 3rd party software releases in 2013 would have Wii U versions on the way that would release day and date with the other platforms. I'd guess the decision was made due to the poor performance of their games on the original Wii platform coupled with Nintendo's inability to properly market the damn Wii U to anyone today.
PapaJustify
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ZombiU was the best game besides NSMBU at launch, but the fact that it got undeserved bad reviews and Nintendo did an exceptionally bad job to promote their new console, didn't help the sales numbers.
Nintendo alienated 3rd parties and customers with the Wii. It would have taken a lot more investment for Nintendo to turn the tides.
evilromero
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It did thanks to Nintendogs and Brain Age.
Thunder Monkey
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I often wonder how their development environment would work under 3rd party publishing. Storing ideas for years until it's either feasible, or can be backed with content. But having working prototypes in *development forever.
*by development I mean two or three people just pissing around trying to find the fun in it.
I'm pretty sure this is just bullshit business bravado myself. If console manufacturing becomes too costly for them they'll likely just go to the software side of development.
Make games for a set hardware, and whichever gets the Nintendo software is going to see a huge uptick in marketshare quickly unless...
...this potentially very real situation transpires. In which case we could see a massive and quick devaluing of the very brands that made Nintendo great.
I still think Nintendo's biggest mistake was waiting too long to release their next system. They had a lot of momentum in the first 4 years of the Wii. That is when you put out a new system, not when you have already left the Wii to wither on the vine for two years. It is a dead brand, because Nintendo mismanaged it.
The idea of putting out a "WiiU" is a plan for 2010, not 2012.
The idea of putting out a "WiiU" is a plan for 2010, not 2012.