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Digital Foundry: Journey Face-off (PS3/PS4)
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Dat Cell magic, man, you can't just replicate that stuff with a weak ass CPU.
For real tho, Journey was probably my favorite or second favorite title last gen, this is disappointing to hear.
I'm not gonna play it anytime soon, is there a chance for a fix?
For real tho, Journey was probably my favorite or second favorite title last gen, this is disappointing to hear.
I'm not gonna play it anytime soon, is there a chance for a fix?UnluckyKate
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uhg... No for so many reasons :
- still 1080p, 60fps, over 720p and 30 fps
- free if you own it on PS3
nothing like Protoype were framerate was worst and the game had 0 graphical improvements and you still had to buy it full price.
Demaster like Protoype for missing motion blur (is it really needed for a 60 fps game ? what am I reading seriously...
It does downsample, unlike PS3.
I know what you're getting at and I initially thought that too. DoF seems to scale based on resolution and I assumed the same with the sand glitter but, in reality, there are plenty of scenes where the effect is completely absent on PS4 while extremely visible on PS3. The change in resolution wouldn't cause such a dramatic change.
There are other scenes, however, where sand glitter is still visible though in lesser amounts. So it's not completely gone, as I said, but it's reduced all around.
I don't think it necessarily makes the game look worse in and of itself either. I think Journey on PS4 is excellent. I felt that these changes deserved to be mentioned. Journey is kind of an example of "games as art" so I posed the question whether it makes sense to modify the original art.
It's a weird port to discuss since I think those points are valid and interesting YET it's still a solid version of the game in its own right. The higher frame-rate and resolution are much appreciated. I do firmly believe that if the original developers had tackled this project it would have matched the original in all aspects. They put a LOT of time into creating those effects originally and I think it's important to them.
God of War 3 seems like a better port in a way since it duplicates the original experience so successfully while eliminating its flaws. It's only getting bad press as a result of its price (which I can't argue with). Journey, as a cross buy game, is a good value proposition since original owners can just jump into either one for no extra cost.
YES. Motion blur is still needed at 60fps. I do not understand where this idea that you no longer need blur at 60fps came from. You're not going to find a pre-rendered clip (even high frame-rate examples) running without it. I feel it's an important element for delivering a presentation closer to a pre-rendered video. 60fps motion blur looks insanely good when well implemented. I realize not everyone will agree on this point but I will continue to fight for it since I feel it is supremely important.
Look at how nice this looks at 60fps for instance...
https://youtu.be/_fC53l3jGAc?t=49
Remember those amazing Gran Turismo intros? GT3 ran at 60fps as did its pre-rendered intro yet the intro looked dramatically more impressive in motion. Why? It was entirely the result of motion blur added during production of that video.
MaxwellParrish
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How do you know this? While some effects are implemented differently how could you assert with sicurity that the new version wouldn't be the way the creator would have implemented them given the same circumstances and that the way they look on PS3 wasn't only a compromise?
Appollowexx
Member
Because missing effects like motion blur and the advanced sand simulation looked stunning when I played the game on PS3. I can't imagine the developers would want to omit this kind of tech. Seems like a quick and dirty port. Higher res and frame rate but missing effects and worse AA solution.
Did the Prototype demaster actually remove various graphical effects and downgrade AA though?
Nah, it's nothing like that. If you take this version of Journey on its own merits, it's a beautiful game that plays very smoothly. It's true that it changes some aspects of the game, which is disappointing, but it doesn't result in a poor experience.
Prototype actually seems to run the same or worse than the original versions plus they're just ugly games in general.
UnluckyKate
Member
Remove graphical effect ? Motion Blur ? You don't need motion blur in a 60 fps game, it's makes it look worse and cancel the benefit on the 60 fps...
Worst AA ? Weird, because the bump from 720 to 1080 pretty much makes the game even cleaner so not sure what worst AA you mention (but I guess you didn't played either version of the game)
And the Prototype Desmaster played worst on Xbox One than on PS3.
Basically this. It is really unlikely that all these original effects were mere bandaids for PS3 limitations. At most, you could attempt to argue that for motion blur, but not for the rest.
Nope, I'm going to disagree with you till I'm blue in the face. Motion blur is even better at 60fps.
Aside from the examples I posted above, one look at something like Tekken Tag 2 in motion says everything. The game looks dramatically more impressive with motion blur enabled. It gives it a CG-like appearance that is otherwise missing.
Dat Cell magic, man, you can't just replicate that stuff with a weak ass CPU.
For real tho, Journey was probably my favorite or second favorite title last gen, this is disappointing to hear.
So is the Cell more powerful than the PS4's CPU?
Obviously it's a lot more complex to code for, but say the PS4 had the Cell, rather than it's current CPU, would it theoretically be more powerful?
PensivePen
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Nowhere?
derExperte
Member
Motion blur is always the first thing I turn off on PC and regularly wish I could on consoles too so that's a win in my book by and large (though I haven't seen the resolution changes live) but I understand if someone wishes it was still there. Maybe make it optional combined with a 30fps lock if there's a connection. Sure it's more work but the game deserves/warrants it.
MaxwellParrish
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Yet this a really different kind of game : in Tekken in the interval between two frames a character can probably make a 180° turn on itself or cover a distance of a quarter of a screen if he/she get thrown. This is quite a slow game with a camera usually pulled away: I doubt a realistic MB at 60 fps would be very noticeable.
Nothing stupid about being discerning or having respect for authorial intent. Confused, I turned the remaster off after about thirty minutes of play. Looks like my suspicions were right that it's lost a lot of its texture.
At the same time did it improve anything. Was the framerate downgraded. Comparing it to prototype is pure hyperbole and silly.
MaxwellParrish
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The motion blur would be severely toned down to be realistic at 60 fps to the point to probably became irrelevant and I still don't understand what your talking about with advanced sand simulation 'cause the phisics of the sand is pretty much the same.
panda-zebra
Member
sparkly sand looks much nice and far less harsh on ps4. It's not a bad effect on ps3, but side-by-side I prefer the newer version.
Then play on PS3...? Its really not that much of a sacrifice to be frank. Personally i'll take the 60fps. The PS3 version obviously used some quirks of the hardware, and you cant realistically expect them all to perfectly transition over.
Besides, graphics are such a minor component of this experience. Yes i used the word experience.
I disagree completely. I think it would look absolutely excellent with motion blur. You don't need high speeds to make it work well.
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
I'm 100% with dark on motion blur. Especially at a higher fps. I'll enable that all day, throw in some per object blur and you got ya boy sweatin'.
I think its a damn shame the ps4 version doesn't have it, otherwise it looks like a solid port since they did get it running at 60 fps.
I really hope its just something they overlooked like when Uncharted 3 went gold without per object blur activated. But seeing its missing some other effects, that might not be the case. Here's to hoping a patch gets the missing effects enabled and matching the ps3 version at least.
I think its a damn shame the ps4 version doesn't have it, otherwise it looks like a solid port since they did get it running at 60 fps.
I really hope its just something they overlooked like when Uncharted 3 went gold without per object blur activated. But seeing its missing some other effects, that might not be the case. Here's to hoping a patch gets the missing effects enabled and matching the ps3 version at least.
Sorry, I'm no expert, was j/k on that part. But from what little I know, no, PS4's CPU is better overall, but the Cell could still outperform it at some tasks.
InsaneTiger
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Regardless of the effects, the game is still beautiful and the 60 fps is greatly appreciated. But Journey isn't a game that has me concerned about the graphics, it's the, pardon the pun, journey of the game that is what is important.
Still a great game to play through with a unique multiplayer like no other.
Still a great game to play through with a unique multiplayer like no other.
InsaneTiger
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Sorry, I'm no expert, was j/k on that part. But from what little I know, no, PS4's CPU is better overall, but the Cell could still outperform it at some tasks.
They are especially different in many ways. Taking a certain benchmark is not representative about the actual differences in design and power between cell and jaguar.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
dripdripsplash
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Don't. Don't skip this journey. You'll regret it.
I genuinely feel sorry for people who would let such an experience pass because there is a lack of some particles in the remaster. Unless you've already played it that is!
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Its a beautiful game. Visually stunning. I never played it on the PS3... But what I've experienced on my two playthroughs on the PS4, is a fluid and breathtaking game.
Its a shame if the sand shimmer really is less, but motion blur is an effect I prefer to avoid.
OuterLimits
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I have played four times so far and an odd thing has happened at the start of stage four in two of the games. Instead of flying on the carpet off into the distance over the wall, the carpet immediately falls off the tower. Granted, the next stage starts anyway, it just looked strange. In two of the games it actually worked right and you character and carpet fly off into the distance.
A couple crashes and music cutting off are other problems I have noticed. Game definitely needs a patch in my opinion.
A couple crashes and music cutting off are other problems I have noticed. Game definitely needs a patch in my opinion.
InsaneTiger
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What? No, Prototype was worse than the original games by a mile. Journey on PS4 is still beautiful to play and runs better.
Prototype set the bar so low that Satan himself could walk over it without tripping.
What a stupid thing to say impact.
InsaneTiger
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I just played it last night, the sand shimmer looks great to me, the dusk level where you race sideways through the sand still looks amazing.
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Same, please don't be put off playing it. All of the emotion is still there.
MaxwellParrish
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This looks pretty damn weird IMO : not only the MB is overdone on the BG but it seems to be completly absent from the car, even when heavily drifting out of camera, from the wheels (that should appear like and indistinguished blur) and the reflection of the BG on the car. The results is that the car looks completly detached, like a cut out
Edit : Rewatching I'm not too sure of my earlier statements. Still it looks somewhat strange to me
Calavera520
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so if you buy on ps4 do you get the ps3 version download as well?
Yeah. Even the PS3 version of God of War III looks amazing, all thanks to the motion blur.
I have to agree with this. It's not just Tekken Tag 2, but Tekken 6 as well and the latter enabled 4x MSAA with motion blur disabled on PS3 IIRC. I tried it once and I didn't notice too much of a difference in IQ with the improved AA when fighting, so I switched motion blur on.