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Digital Foundry - Next gen game broadcasting
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BibiMaghoo
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Both need a lot of work. PS4 only works properly if you tell it to start recording.
BibiMaghoo
Member
You can edit clips within the PS4 UI, but only by cutting bits out of the full video.
they have Sony Vegas which is one of the best video editing programmes out there
Sure. The Vegas software.
Yeah, they have a whole suite of software with Vegas, Movie Studio, and Imagine Studio.
Thats what I thought, and I remember hearing that it was pretty good.
I wonder if it would be possible for them to release that, or implement it into the PS4s share functionality. Seems like it would be an easy way to make editing videos even better and by using software that already belongs to them.
False. No issues with the DVR with any game other than BF4, which DICE has been patching very slowly. all of my games record just fine. The recordings aren't saved until you hit the Share button. So if you just play and quit - you will see nothing. Like what you just did? Hit share and the last 15 minutes are there, menu screens and all.
Hitting the PS button will stop a recording, too. So bouncing from game to UI will cut your recorded time. It works as it was explained to work.
Can Crusher
Banned
Twitch is amazing. Had a couple of friends over checking out the PS4 and everyone was blown away by how I could just pause a game and put on a stream of somebody playing need for speed rivals half way around the world, and then get back to the game as it were.
BibiMaghoo
Member
So I understand this correctly, you hit share once and it asks you if you want to upload or stream right? If I go to upload, there is no previous 15 minutes unless I have already 'double tapped' to start it. It seems to record random stuff, for example, a 15 second clip of me dying in KZ and the following spawn screen. Mine does not work like you say yours does.
NekoFever
Member
False.
It's happened to me and others on numerous occasions that you hit the button to save the last 15 minutes and then when you go back and edit it later it's saved some random 15 minutes from earlier in the session. Not restricted to BF4 either.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Yeah, but it's only for Windows, which is highly annoying.
Fucking bonehead decision.
Yesterday, the PS4 missed a bit on Battlefield when i was on a machine gun on the back of a train, and TWO helicopters flew at me at ground level and i shot the fuck out of both of them. Them a tank drove through the carnage and blew me up. It missed that. What the hell? I pressed share, but also did another a few minutes later, but this bit seems to have been missed in between the two videos that i got saved.
As long as you meet the broadcast requirements, there are no limits on video bitrate. However, keep in mind not everyone will be able to watch high bitrate streams without issue, so I would not recommend anyone to go above a 2.5-3.5Mbps video bitrate unless partnered. Partners get transcoding(High, Med, Low options), which means you're less likely to turn off/away some viewers because their connection isn't good enough to watch your stream.
No.
On mine when I hit the Share button it saves out the last 15 minutes, or however long it was recording, and gives you the three options, upload video, screen and stream. You thne navigate to the video and find it, trim it and upload.
Double tapping the share button just specifically starts a brand new record at that time. EG when you know you are about to do something cool like a speed run or a demo of a level or something.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
It doesn't always work like it's supposed to. I was playing Warframe the other day and wanted to share a video of the mission I had just finished, but it wasn't there. The only video of the game was from a much earlier point. It usually works well though, just not always.
angular graphics
Banned
That's just sad, what were they thinking?
Backfoggen
Banned
This is not true? I just switch focus to the game while Game DVR saves the clip.
Didn't know PS4 is streaming at 960x540 max. Isn't that the Vita screen resolution?
dragonfart28
Banned
I seem to recall that during the console reveals, this kind of functionality was touted as revolutionary.
It's a bit jarring to see how quickly the novelty has worn off.
It's a bit jarring to see how quickly the novelty has worn off.
Then I dont know what to tell you guys. The only game Ive experienced issues with is BF4. I haven't played KZ, yet, so... It works for everything else Ive played. Pressing share, coming back to game, hitting it again a bit later, now I have 2 game clips X length. Screenshots are fine, etc.
Maybe some people have had issues and others not? How it works is not "false" since it works the way it was intended to work, issues aside. Some people have issues but those are "issues" and not to be confused with design intent.
If its widespread then Sony needs to fix it fast, though I have to question why it works well for game A vs game B. Makes me think it is game-related and not DVR related.
That's just sad, what were they thinking?
those are animus effects!
Lol at revolutionary. It's not like this has been possible on PC for the past half a decade or anything.
Even on last gen consoles you could do this, just with an add-on or a PC capture card.
Never happened to me in any of the games I've tested it with (CoD, Resogun, AC4, Killzone, and even BF4), for what it's worth. I always get the last fifteen minutes of gameplay.
angular graphics
Banned
Next gen quality
OnLive streaming probably has better quality than this XD
My twitter feed is full of people sharing clips and screens every day. And the two small ones posted I on FB, both for Resogun, got a bunch of comments from friends who don't yet have a PS4 but want one.
https://twitter.com/search?q=#'ps4share&src=typd&f=realtime is just the screens being shared on twitter.
I also really like having the clips associated with my profile. It's fun to watch other friend's clips be it of cool stuff in BF4 or an excellent match of Killer Instinct.
I agree about the lack of screenshot functionality though on Xbox, also the complete lack of streaming.
Yeah, its 720p and it streams in 60fps, but hey You get 8GB GDDR5 of RAM for 400$!
You would think Sony would integrate all their services & software from their Xperia Smartphone/tablets, Vaio PCs, Bravia TVs, Sony Creative Software, Sony Mobile, & etc into the PS4, like Microsoft is doing with the Xbox1.
The PS4 should have a streamlined version of "Sony Vegas Movie Studio" integrated in the PS4 for editing videos. The PS4 should also have a Walkman app for local media playback.
What other Sony services & software would y'all like integrated into the PS4?
For me personally, this has only happened with Battlefield 4. Recording works fine with AC4, KZ:SF, and Resogun but every single time I hit the share button while playing BF4, it records the last 9-15 minutes of either single player or the previous conquest match. Not once did it ever record what I wanted to record in that game.
I think MS made a good choice in creating their own infrastructure for housing their game videos. They need Twitch streaming asap, not because I will use it, but because it is apparently the next big thing. XBox Record That works plenty fine for my needs, I don't foresee myself plopping an entire match on their or doing any trimming. But that's just me. Quality settings should certainly be available, especially for files uploaded to my own SkyDrive. But it is certainly nice to be able to save it and link to it on forums quickly.
You don't think that putting the ability for everyone to instantly stream, with a dedicated button, is wow? Putting it in the hands of so many - rather than those that know how to set up capture equipment (or do it directly on PC with fraps etc) is a big deal.
Because it's new, in time streamers will stand out for whatever reason just like YouTubers do.
Also for the PS4, the game streaming ties directly into their thing about allowing me to control your game to help you out from elsewhere.
That's just sad, what were they thinking?
On best quality it's actually quite a bit better looking in motion (from the DL files in the article). It just has unbelievable problems with scene changes and well.. any action between key frames.
Also the encoder is actually pretty good. They just need much more bitrate, since that 1.5mbps is not actually average, it's the high end of it, it floats around 800kbps-1mbps. They just need to have 3-5mbps, i.e. sort of the same stream they feed of to vita, and it'll be golden.
ShockingAlberto
Member
A lot of my issues with PS4's share stuff (beyond the compression and the fact that sometimes it just plain does not work) is the lack of decent sharing and archiving options for right now.
It really needed better than it got at launch to make that "OMG this is so cool" feeling.
It really needed better than it got at launch to make that "OMG this is so cool" feeling.
Backfoggen
Banned
What if it were 5 friends watching a dude stream his game.
Yup it all depends on what the goal is, millions of people wont stream, that's quite proven by the number of PS4 streams. But on the other hand you can stream to 5 people and have a nice chat with them. Because when you have thousands of viewers, it's actually no longer a hobby, but a job, since a) you get paid b) it;s nearly impossible to have a conversation with a random stranger e.t.c.
So when you just stream fo fun, having 5 viewers is not bad, especially if they actually care. Or it might be a way for socializing for "forever alone" people, that actually can land them some contacts, so I don't see any problem with it. It's the same thing as when I play something alone, I usually put up a stream of someone / podcast / TV or some other form of talking heads, just to have some background noise with a chance of something interesting. Same thing, just the other way.
At least that's my take on it.
I hope Sony add in some more options for exporting/sharing soon. Editing options, I don't personally need since I don't think I'll use sharing for anything other than screens, but they definitely are needed.
I like when the broadcaster can actually read every comment and reply.
I agree. I like the solid lower viewer streams anyway, since then you can actually get to interaction. And it's not a battle of copy/paste messages trying to be noticed in the chat.
I like when the broadcaster can actually read every comment and reply.
You can watch your friends or online buddies stream, ask a question about a game and have it immediately answered via the stream, or follow popular people playing live. For example, I watched Angry Joe play through several games on the PS4. It's a unique and wonderful thing being able to watch, live, in person the very play through that a journalist is using to base his review for a game on.
Less views is sometimes actually better too, as you can actually have a convo or have your messages seen. Otherwise comments just get lost in a sea that keep coming in every second.
Yes, they're full of shit on that one. You don't have to wait for gamedvr to save your clip
Also, they state as a fact that "five minutes of spooled gameplay isn't really enough". For what, exactly? Sure, more is always better, but other than professional videos like walkthroughs or let's plays which should be done with dedicated hardware anyway I can't think of any reason I would need more than 5 minutes. I've only even recorded 5 minutes once, and then trimmed that down to 45 seconds. They don't provide any use cases to support their statement
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Half-decade?
I'm pretty sure I was hooking up my consoles to my PC for recording purposes in high school over 12 years ago.
I still think these features are cool for light users who don't want to invest extra money into capture equipment specifically, but you should expect that they're not good enough to replace dedicated solutions for hobbyists for a number of reasons.
perineumlick
Member
This sounds so silly.