Just, wow.
Are you sure he doesn't get extra commission on PS sales? Because I find that behaviour virtually inexplicable if not.
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Digital Foundry: Perfomance of Dying Light [PS4 1080p/XO 1080pr]
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Are you sure he doesn't get extra commission on PS sales? Because I find that behaviour virtually inexplicable if not.
But should it have been or rather can it be deduced as the reason for xbone version of certain games having AF unlike its ps4 counterpart?
FeiRR
Banned
If every platform warrior was paid for their preaching, GAF would be full of yacht owners.
No. Because equivalent PC graphics cards handle 16X AF pretty well. People have to stop looking at the ESRAM as anything other than a kludge.
My GS is the opposite. The guy there is a huge xbox fan and tells people they're practically the same system but the One is stronger. He knows what he's talking about because he runs his own private software company.
I think the split memory pool can be advantageous in that scenario.
No, I don't think that would have anything to do with it. I don't think there's any evidence to suggest the PS4 has hardware or software problems preventing implementation of AF. There are, what, three games (Strider, Thief and Dying Light) that have AF on XBO and don't on PS4? Seems far more likely developer negligence or a bug than anything to do with the PS4 itself, considering there are numerous titles on the system that have AF, or have identical AF levels on XBO and PS4. Someone pointed out Driveclub, but that shouldn't be singled out considering both Forza games on XBO have AF levels just as bad. There are numerous titles on XBO that have poor or no AF. AF has traditionally been a lacking feature on console games for several generations, and it continues to be a low priority today on both PS4 and XBO.
The continued talking point of the PS4 having an issue with AF seems misguided at best.
Pretty much sums it up
But first party games have AF problems too.
And its one toggle in an engine, it doesnt require work to turn it on.
The guys at the ICE team know of no specific issues to report regarding that. They punted it back to the developers.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Lol... sorry this was pretty funny.
Fucking. Lol.
I don't think it's exactly console exclusive - it's just something that doesn't get much attention on any platform period.-griffy- said:
Most PC games ship with low/no AF levels out of the box and either expect user to force them in driver or provide global-option overrides in-game - which like driver - are just applying one setting to everything - and that kind of approach just don't make sense on a console very often.
First party/exclusive games on XBO have "AF problems" too then.
Must be some conspiracy or hardware issue causing it. What is Microsoft hiding? Or perhaps it's just a feature that is comparatively seen as less "needed" to console devs, and perhaps taxes consoles harder than PC due to the way memory is used, and therefore is often simply left out. The fact is the number of games on both platforms with identical AF dwarfs the number where XBO has it and PS4 doesn't. There are frankly more games on both platforms with disappointingly low levels of AF, both first and third party. It's nothing unique to the PS4.
Most every (competent) PC game these days ships with a simple AF setting in their video options at least.
Uh? How?
I remember getting mocked at the Gamestop I went to in college because I bought MW2 on PS3 instead of 360. They pestered this one kid so much about it he apologized for getting it on PS3.
That same place tried to convince me that the 360 version of Killzone 2 was going to be way better -_-
One global setting that usually works pretty much like the driver override. Ie. there's no special care (or competence) involved in providing this for most cases (of course to be fair, with PC expectations that user is responsible for performance tweaking, it's an expected treatment).-griffy- said:
AgentP
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Please list these games with "problems".
bananafactory
Banned
I remember in the early days of PS3 a Gamestop clerk told me I shouldn't buy it because Sony was about to go out of business from bad PS3 sales and sell the PS3 to Microsoft who would turn them into Xboxes
I shit you not
I shit you not
But U4 demo had lower level of AF too, like 4 at best.
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Both DriveClub and Killzone have lower level of AF. Infamous seems to has around 4x too.
Because you have two different memory systems whose usage doesn't affect each other.
No. The esram in the xbox is still slower than the ram in PS4, so PS4 can fetch from anywhere in its 5Gb ish addressable memory. Xbox is unlikely to be able to store all necessary textures in the esram for the AF, so it will be fetching from the much slower main ram.
If xbox is doing AF then PS4 should be able to as well. For the same resolution. I wonder if that is the difference? Are decelopers so close to the edge at 1080p/30 on PS4 that they can't do AF without dropping some frames? On the face of it, with some games running at 45fps you wouldn't think so, but maybe pressure to run at 1080p on PS4 requires compromise?
Sorry but how a unified memory should be a disadvantage in the AF? Sniper 3 has better AF on ps4 and if I'm not wrong it's not the only.
U4 gameplay demo looked to have good AF, better than most console games. Killzone and Infamous don't have great AF. What's your point exactly? That's normal across all console games on either platform, including exclusives on XBO like Forza 5 and Horizons 2. The Last of Us: Remastered has something like 8x or 16xAF. Ryse has decent texture filtering. Far Cry 4 and Shadow of Mordor have decent texture filtering on both platforms. COD:Advanced Warfare and GTAV have mediocre texture filtering on both platforms.
I'm not trying to say there is anything inherent in unified memory that makes it a disadvantage.
I'm saying that the PS4 might have a disadvantage in AF versus a hypothetical split-memory system due to the way that the buses affect each other.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Same here. That deal was friggin incredible.
Point is that PS4 problem with AF is not SDK problem or lazy developers problem, but bandwidth related problem. Some devs prioritize AF, some dont, thats about it.
I don't think there is an unique explanation. Could just depend to how work some engine. Most of the games with AF problems on ps4 aren't exactly that well optimized.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
All those games have around 4XAF. I wouldn't call that a problem. You probably lose 2-3FPS with 8x or 16x jump on this class of hardware, and you don't want that in games over a relatively non-appreciable effect increase.
This game apparently has no AF, which is a bit weird and a problem, especially if a machine where they had to do other cutbacks and settle for lower performance, could afford it.
But You dont lose 2-3fps on PC.
Could you maybe link me to a proper comparison of AF levels? I just got a new laptop and have been experimenting with it but I can't see any difference between 2x, 4x, or 8x. The jump from none to 2x is noticeable and 16x is noticeable but the in between settings all seem very close. I want to know what to look for.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Compared to noAF, you do, at least judging by some chart that everyone keeps posting (GF560, I think, and 8x was where some visible drop-off would start).
Or maybe not, I don't know. I mean in some cases it HAS to be some developer/SDK omission. Strider looked pretty much crap, and had absolutely no AF on the only surface (floor) where you could see that it's missing. I find it literally impossible to believe that PS4 could do nice looking AF in something like Far Cy 4 and couldn't at all in Strider, of all things...
People trying to turn PS4 not having AF in some multiplat games into a "narrative" is hilarious. Especially considering some PS4 multiplats have better AF.
There is no narrative here guys. Different SDKs for different platforms and different optimizations to meet different performance targets on different systems.
There is no narrative here guys. Different SDKs for different platforms and different optimizations to meet different performance targets on different systems.
Wrong.
PS4 has plenty of bandwidth. Heck if a shitty 560 with 128GB/s can do 16xAF with barely a 1 FPS drop in performance the PS4 can do it.
If it is not an SKD issue, and we know it is not a hardware issue the only thing left to blame are the devs.
That's my though too. Especially all considered most of the games with AF problems coming from developers who aren't exactly famous to be the best coders in the market.
jesus Xbone is closer to a 4:3 res than 16:9 :lol :lol :lol
Reading all of your posts puts a smile on my face =)
Reading all of your posts puts a smile on my face =)
There is barely any difference between 8x and 16x, but there is big difference between 4x and 8x.
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I just checked in Crysis 3. I got maybe 1 fps difference at best between 1x and 16x with fps going from 93 to 97.
BF 3 would be better for testing, but dont have it installed.
Conscience Falls
Member
The worst part about it was the guy shrank back a little bit and muttered that he would get it when he got his Playstation. I was a little heartbroken for the poor guy. I really wanted to pull him aside but he kinda floated out of the store before I could say anything.
I think he's just an insane fanboy. I remember going into the store last fall before the consoles launched and putting 50$ down on an Xbox One. He harassed me the entire time and just kept talking about all of the wonderful things the PS4 could do while maligning the Xbox. I told him that I was going to get a Playstation before the Holidays but I was too far gone in his eyes at that point.
I would pay theatrical ticket pricing to see these two work the same register during the Holiday season.
I get that passionate fans of each console flock to work at Gamestop and EB because of their love for a brand but this benefits nobody. Everyone wants to validate their purchase and that just creates an environment that I don't want to be a part of. It's bad enough to be harassed with pre-orders and upselss whenever you go into one of their stores, it's even worse when they throw the 3$ guarantee on without telling you. It's unneeded and unfortunate.
This post is so blatantly obvious it's not even funny anymore. No the XB1 version does not hold up fine when you're in control. It drops into mid twenties with middle of the display screentearing. Run into a place with foliage and watch the framerate tank with severe screentear. Did you not watch the first few minutes of the video or something?
Melchiah
Member
That still doesn't explain the lack of AF in something like Strider, which most likely didn't task the system as much as Thief and this.
Dragon1893
Member
Quite a far cry from something that was supposed to be 1080p60fps, especially on X1.
Well the game used to be cross gen but then turned to new gen only so I assume significant improvements were made to the engine which increased its demands on the hardware
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
No that's not how things work.
I assume AF being something that can be instantly switched off is attractive to a development team who's currently crunching at 10pm on a Sunday evening to hit an up and coming deadline and needs to find a couple of FPS somewhere and quick.
I would say only around 1% of a console userbase even knows what AF is.