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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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CassidyIzABeast
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Maybe DF will go over the CPU/GPU modifications at some point but other than that I think its over
This is all I want and save all the games for E3. I want to see all the 4k, 4k asset, sweet hdr gameplay running on Scorpio
Samurai G0SU
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https://news.xbox.com/2017/04/13/pr...rojectScorpio_soc_omc_xbo_fb_Photo_lrn_4.13.1
a new post by phil . appears we will have to wait till e3 for the unveil. aka no event prior to e3 about scorpio.
BOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's fair I guess. They technically talked all they needed to talk about with regards to the 'hardware'. Now it's just "here's what it looks like", "these are games", and "here's the price + what's in the box".
On the positive side this means 399 most likely right ?
I mean they're not gonna unveil the console and say ''499''. 399 would be the mic drop moment.
As expected. Seemed pointless to do a whole event for a price and a box show.
Maybe more around e3, hotchips or whatever it is?
A September release to be near Destiny 2 and before RDR2 would be god damn amazing.
Colbert
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Hotchips will be the only event where there is an audience interested in this topic from a professional standpoint. But looking into what was told there the last time, especially the modifications of the gpu command processors where not mentioned at all. If they keep it on that level I do believe you shouldn't keep your hopes on high .
They said they were ahead of schedule. Hoping!
Phil: ''As for the price...starting at 399..and you can pre-order.... NOW''
Then drops mic while the crowd goes boom.
I genuinely hope they release it before october. September would be ideal. Just in line for the big drop of AAA games. I hope MS doesn't make a mistake and release it in november/dec.
PeterLegend
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If its $399 ill buy, but im guessing $450 to $500 since they want to make a profit lol
funkystudent
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No way its not 399 in some form.
Maybe they can do a premium 499 sku with a SSD or hybrid drive or something but there will be a 399 model.
I expect a price cut for the S as as well so the price gulf will be around 150 which is a decent gap.
Also if the dev kit has a SSD I hope that means Scorpio is finally able to take advantage of suck a drive. Also please have user upgradeable internal storage. Given that MS completely abandoned the "sell overpriced caddied HDDs" for the XB1 I assume it wasnt THAT big of a moneymaker for them with the 360 in the long run. Hope they add a PS3/4 type solution where you can just slot any drive in.
Maybe they can do a premium 499 sku with a SSD or hybrid drive or something but there will be a 399 model.
I expect a price cut for the S as as well so the price gulf will be around 150 which is a decent gap.
Also if the dev kit has a SSD I hope that means Scorpio is finally able to take advantage of suck a drive. Also please have user upgradeable internal storage. Given that MS completely abandoned the "sell overpriced caddied HDDs" for the XB1 I assume it wasnt THAT big of a moneymaker for them with the 360 in the long run. Hope they add a PS3/4 type solution where you can just slot any drive in.
Man.. If Scorpio somehow tapped into wireless VR first.. that would be, frankly...Huge. MS are actually in a great position to be first to market on a consumer level for something like that...
All signs from Phil etc though lead to them not just yet, so I'm wary of taking those tweets at face value... Stil, it would be a great leap forward for VR. Plus, the warrior salt would be epic here if it hasn't been already haha...
All signs from Phil etc though lead to them not just yet, so I'm wary of taking those tweets at face value... Stil, it would be a great leap forward for VR. Plus, the warrior salt would be epic here if it hasn't been already haha...
oldergamer
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MS should make a VR headset that uses wireless POWER. Now that would be interesting.
Inside the Scorpio Engine: the processor architecture deep dive
New article is up.
Digital Foundry will be running a similar deep dive regarding the construction of the retail console tomorrow.
New article is up.
Digital Foundry will be running a similar deep dive regarding the construction of the retail console tomorrow.
LukasTaves
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wesleyshark
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New thread? This article has some interesting tidbits.
"I also expect variations of titles that are perhaps running at 900p at 30fps on Xbox One today that they can leverage the 31 per cent boost to CPU clock along with a bunch of other optimisations in conjunction with our D3D12 offload to potentially offer 1080p60 rather than 900p30. It's totally up to developers.
Yes, please. I need some of you to make sense of all of this.
FP16 isn't a new thing. I believe its uses are very limited as stated by devs and isn't as much of a benefit than customizing for significantly increased bandwidth and memory with the gpu. A 326gb/s bandwidth does more for the gpu than fp16 I bet
wesleyshark
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Feel free to start a new thread. I'm out shopping and can only post via mobile.
Edit: No problem, new thread is up. Thanks Space_nut!
Liabe Brave
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Actually, devs have said that potentially as much as 70% of their engine's work can be converted to FP16, which would be a 35% gain. Since packed math reduces transfer time and memory footprint, it addresses the exact same issues as increasing bandwidth and memory size.
You're right that it won't be quite as effective in practice, though, since it doesn't apply to all work and it does need some extra optimization.
I am guessing with their modifications, they don't need to perhaps?
blastprocessor
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Interesting.
Sounds like it
All that dirty talk about ROPs, FLOPS and bandwidth. You know you love it!
Colbert
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Oh I was sooooo wrong about this. Never thought there would be another deep dive ....
Wasn't it present on Xbox One?
https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/649qqb/digital_foundry_on_twitter_ms_has_been_in_touch/
An early result seems good for FP16 usage on a game
http://gamingbolt.com/mass-effect-a...kerboard-rendering-30-improvement-due-to-fp16
The one in the XB1 are very limited compared to Scorpio. Basically XB1 has v1.0 and Scorpio has v2.0. They significantly upgraded the capability and programbility of the DX12 hardware chip on Scorpio's gpu
LukasTaves
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Because it's basically useless except for a few areas where you can make the trade of precision loss to get a small performance boost?
That reads more that fp16 helps with checkerboard rendering and not actually adding 30% gpu power.
They had to use 1800Checkerboard PLUS fp16 to save 30% compared to native 1800p. Nothing too impressive but shows that checkerboard is perfect for pro
LukasTaves
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I wouldn't call that a good result yet.
First, it was a very fast pass on its own that may very well benefited more from the bandwidth savings than the double rate processing.
And second, the DF video on the game had some very strange artifacts on the edges sometimes, perhaps it's the utilization of fp16 and not checkerboard itself that's causing this?
And last, if they did looked themselves where they could apply fp16 (as opposed to being just a code handed by sony, which is a possibility given the super limited scope of the application) and that was all they could convert to fp16 than it has less applicability on real games than what I was expecting.
Must be extremely minor Vega enhancements. Looks like that only color compression is the only big Vega feature. Now we know how they got the die size close to the pro. Interesting design choices for both Sony and MS. Honestly this does surprise me a lot. Figured the one year wait was for Vega features. Looking like the wait was to get development tools to a high level.
TakeItSlowDude
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That 30% in that slide is ambiguous. Reads to me that the 30% improvement using packed FP16 is limited to the checkerboard resolve shader, which is 2ms out of 24ms. Which means the use of packed FP16 makes around a 3% improvement in the entire rendering pipeline. Though future engines will likely leverage packed FP16 in more parts of their pipelines making its use more significant.
Dice has said checkerboading implementation is complex. They had to do same with battlefield 1 with fp16 with 4kcheckerboard. Here's the presentation...
https://www.slideshare.net/DICEStudio/4k-checkerboard-in-battlefield-1-and-mass-effect-andromeda