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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Liabe Brave
Member
Oh, they did? Please describe how the changes they've made are so significant.
There are actually many areas where FP16 can be used to give a performance boost. And even small effects are meaningful; in the console world where titles typically dip below their target framerates, small jumps could keep them solid and smooth.
Of course, it remains to be seen what the real-world effects will be.
No, that had nothing to do with FP16. They look like normal CBR reprojection artifacts.
That particular presentation is confusing people, because it says they got ~30% improvement using FP16 for one particular part of CBR. But on another slide it also shows a ~30% improvement overall from using CBR versus standard rendering. Folks seem to have conflated the two.
No need for future engines. Though the particular presentation doesn't mention it, Frostbite already uses FP16 for other things. Here are some links on how they were using FP16 back on PS3.
Link 1 Link 2
E3 will show how. For now MS stated that the capability and programbility of the DX12 hardware chip on the gpu is more advanced over the XB1. Seeing how ForzaTech demo received same performance as the 1070 that shows a lot. But again more games will tell
Liabe Brave
Member
They also said they're not using that capability yet, so apparently Microsoft don't think it's important enough to prioritize. This is why I think it's very premature to talk about how the upgrade will be huge or significant.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Christ they are really spinning one article into four for clicks aren't they?!
It's actually a really cool article. It's interesting how everything comes together.
wesleyshark
Banned
All I'll say here is that when Microsoft reveals the box at E3, you should go in expecting surprises. Pleasant ones.
I'm thinking that it's not going to look like a One S.
I'm pretty sure Phil has said it's going to look "related" to the One S. Something I would be more than fine with.
Okami Haundo
Member
I'm more than happy to read multiple articles in this case. It'd be like reading a small novel otherwise. Not to mention that most sites have data showing that people stop reading past a certain point. They're free to format their articles as they see fit.
I'm just hoping it can still be placed vertically. Does their cooling system require a certain orientation?
wesleyshark
Banned
If they ever made a portable Xbox (incredibly unlikely), I would hope it would look more like a Surface.
Just imagine
How dare they have ongoing reporting on new hardware. They obviously want clicks. They should definitely consider not reporting exclusive info, that would be more fair. One link with a preposterous page count and an overlapping mangle of topics would be preferable, if they really insist.
This is my thinking as well.
The Salt Life
Banned
Samurai G0SU
Member
the elite is all you need.
Maybe if it didn't break down easily like they promised.
Okami Haundo
Member
wesleyshark
Banned
They need to add the Elite controller to their custom controller builder.
Please. Take my money.
Munki
Member
That would be amazing.
Samurai G0SU
Member
arhra
Member
They need to add more countries to it first.
wesleyshark
Banned
Thankfully (luckily?) my elite still works as it did when I got it at launch.
Same, got 2. Cant say the same for my day one controller and its replacement. Stick drift that i couldnt fix. Was praying it didn't happen to the elite.
wesleyshark
Banned
My Day One controller had a vibration issue and also the drift issue so it just sits on the side of TV stand now. My Titanfall controller still works great, only reason I stopped using it was because I got the Elite haha
Double rate FP16 applies to Scorpio too? What black magic is this?Beyond3d
fast_taker
Member
I am so f#@^ing hyped about scorpio I read every thread or article about it
Just imagine
Nah, Nintendo scratches that itch for me just fine.
MS need to double down on consoles and their library.
I can see them adding a share button to the controller without changing the design. One thing I really like about the Dual Shock 4.
I hope for a button dedicated for capturing videos and pics 😅
wesleyshark
Banned
That would be nice. I have the chat pad plugged into my Elite, so I use the X1 and X2 buttons. Would be better to just have them built into the controller though.
Tbh I would like to be able to play my X1/Scorpio games on a switch xbox. Don't think about it like a different console... it would play the same games you already own, just with different graphic settings.
I think Nintendo had a really great idea.
FP16 has been used to reduce memory footprint forbuffers and such. What Scorpio can't do is handle 2 FP16 packages at the same time. Black magic alright
What the presentation shows 30% of a 10% render frame was due to using FP16 for a single process. That's a 3% performance saved overall. It's cool but FP16 isn't substantial
Okami Haundo
Member
I see quite a few people wanting a "capture" button on the Xbox One Controller, I say no thanks. I do want some kind of Cortana support built into the console though. Just throw in some microphones so I can use Scorpio like an Xbox One + Kinect.
therealbigrich
Member
A Xbox portable would be great . A surface pro with a 1060 in it would go for 2k probably so for the guy that just want to game a Nintendo switch like portable would be pretty good .
ethomaz
Banned
The issues with comparisons right now is that there is no benchmark with double-rate FP16 units because Vega is not out yet (you will see plenty of them in May).
Right now the only benchmark for games is FarCry that shows a 20% increase in performance with FP16 at quality trade off: http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/skvideo/1013/radeon-x800-e-il-momento-di-r420_19.html
Now we need to see how FP16 running twice faster than FP32 can increase this performance gain and if the trade off in image quality compenses it uses.
Vega launch this year will show a lot of comparisions.
If you need this, you can get it today:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/communications/chatpad
it has 2x buttons that you can configure yourself
wesleyshark
Banned
They work great!
Samurai G0SU
Member
The new dash is so responsive now that i dont think i need those buttons anymore!
But before though ... oh my goodness.....
But before though ... oh my goodness.....
Speaking of the Dash, Scorpio better start from cold boot faster.
Liabe Brave
Member
A 3% performance gain is nearly 2fps on a 60fps game. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would find that substantial.
MilkyJoe
Member
I'm in and out here, been a busy few days. 3% increase sacrificing image quality? Or am I way out there?
Liabe Brave
Member
The presentation doesn't say whether image quality was traded off, but it seems unlikely. The very reason FP16 gives you minor real-world gains is because developers simply don't use it in the many situations where visual degradation would ensue. Chances are they stopped at 3% here because that was the threshold beyond which the results looked bad (for this particular implementation).
MilkyJoe
Member
Can vanilla PS4 utilize this?
ethomaz
Banned
Their implementation was on PS4/XB1... they saw this performance gain in both consoles. Probably their implementation have performance issues with actual nVidia cards that runs FP16 way slower than FP32.
The results are not accounting for the double-precision rate of Pro.