DeFiBkIlLeR
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lol..Microsoft still using desktop PC's with Nvidia 7xx series cards to demonstrate features available to a console with a FAR weaker GPU.
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DirectX 11.2 revealed
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Thats the way PC gaming works. If you want to sell your software, you have to make sure your stuff will run on a 5 year old machine that was considered middle of the road at the time of purchase. The release of a W8 only 11.2 isn't going to change that.
It will however make those that need to have the latest and greatest eye candy upgrade as soon as the first game with optional 11.2 features hits. not a big deal...
The only thing I worry about is if those games are Windows Store exclusives. I refuse to participate in making the PC world a walled garden.
Isn't the whole damn point people don't want to upgrade to Windows 8? If this same news was for Windows 7 coming from Vista, most here would be ecstatic and look to upgrade when the new DX rolled out. It seems MS is going to learn that new DX versions don't help or hurt OS adoption.
Sentenza
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No, the whole damn point is that no matter what some people will do, some other won't.
Which is why it's irrelevant how good W8 actually is. Exclusivity will be harmful for popularity and developers' adoption rate regardless of that.
Jesus, how many times do we have to hear that song.
"Oh it's better and faster"
"Oh bandwagon hate"
No it's shit, that's why.
Sentenza
Member
It's essentially the thing consolidating Microsoft's toxic monopolistic grip on the PC gaming market.
There isn't much more to explain.
I don't believe this. While I am a fan of W8, I'm not going to defend it. Most people shit on it for being different from traditional Windows. I agree that MS trying to use exclusive DX upgrades as a carrot to upgrade is ineffective, but if Win8 had more good will, this wouldn't be as big an issue as it currently is.
We still have a couple computers on XP at my work, and it sucks the big one. Such an ancient POS to use today.
k_trout
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all pcs at the local government where i work are Xp
though im still pissed they stopped using NT
cobragt4001
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I'm confused here, the 7xx's are new say why would you say it as if they have been doing the same thing over and over? And one more thing, what consoles are doing that, the next gen or current?
Edit: I'd imagine the Xbone will get this support.
CharmingCharlie
Member
Win 8 only eh, well that means no one will be using Directx 11.2 then. I certainly have no interest in installing a touch based OS on my PC any time soon. If any games are exclusive to win8 and Directx 11.2 then I will just ignore them.
I could turn that exact argument back at the haters who go onto internet forums to bash a product for months on end simply because the way some icons are displayed changed slightly. When people speak about the move from 7 to 8 as if 8 just murdered their first daughter it's just plain ridiculous.
Regardless, as derFeef has stated multiple times already 11.2 is incremental. Devs will still make games work with 11 on Windows 7. The only time you might see a Win8 exclusive game is for something like Halo 5 (or whatever it gets called), but you'd hope MS learnt from Halo 2 Vista.
cobragt4001
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This is bs, why would they alienate W7 users when people are still buying W7 ughhhh!!!!!
MS isn't selling Win 7.
alexandros
Banned
Maybe DX11.2 needs The Power Of The Cloud to work properly, hence the lack of W7 support.
cobragt4001
Banned
We're almost a year in and this ignorance is still being spewed? You will only be hurting yourself going forward by this archaic way of thinking.
They make more money from w8 users because they have a store for windows 8 + some MS apps deliver advertising + they get way more data about usage patterns. 8 is a win as far as increasing revenue streams goes.
You come off as ignorant and abusive. Compromises were made in win8 to make it an os suitable for touch. It is a fact.
Being Windows 8.1 and above exclusive does not mean no one will beusing it.
When the first big games appear, that will use this feature more people will have upgraded to 8.1 or above.
And OpenGL will catch up to allow this feature as well
What compromises? Windows 8 is an enhanced Windows 7 with added features that make it suitable for any computing device no matter the size. The arguments of a "Touch OS" are ignorant and have no place in intelligent discussion of the OS.
Oh stop that, it's not "icons display changed slightly" - It's an obtuse tablet menu crowbarred into a desktop environment with a shit ton of full-screen Metro applications, charm bars and whatnot. It's rubbish and no, no "internet hate bandwagon" will never ever be that effective, however when it's a shitty product people will join that bandwagon.
The fact that when you buy a piece of software to turn Windows 8 into something that I prefer, you still need to hear comments about the fucking Metro shit.
dragonelite
Member
OpenGL already has it but you need vendor specific extensions.
Dx11.2 means it standard whether you use an AMD or an NVidia gpu.
Personally i dont really care if all AAA games go to linux i will get linux.
OSX is out of the question hardware too closed off.
derExperte
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Fewer and fewer. And which of those will care for DX11.2? But I wish good luck to the companies that are using a 12 year old OS that will soon be out of support.
Good news: In 8.1 shutdown/sleep/restart are part of the Win+X/right-click-on-start-button menu.
Steam statistics show that W8 is on the rise. And especially after 8.1 people should stop with the touch-OS BS. It works great on desktops.
dragonelite
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I know i want to reformat my win8 partition and upgrade to 8.1 but i rather wait when im done with uni stuff just to be sure and not feeling like making back ups and stuff.
So i will wait 1~2 weeks. Also i like how you can split apps with desktop better in the 8.1 //build/ keynote section yesterday.
What changes? The "Start menu" is A MENU TO THE METRO INTERFACE!
Vestal
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Still Direct3d is the better of the two in terms of the API and the documentation for it.
Because OpenGL was shunned, of course it won't be able to keep up. However it was the best API by far back in the day however Microsoft used their monopoly and influence to crowbar the shitty DirectX into gaming and made it the standard.
Who cares. It replaces a relic of XP that fewer and fewer people use every day. It works exactly the same way as the Windows 7 start menu, it just looks different. You're basing a bashing argument on something that is so useless and trivial.
No, I'm basing it off the fact that I used it for almost two months and at the end of the two months I still fucking hated it. It's bad.
Round wheels are also a relic.
dragonelite
Member
Didn't they lost terrain to dx because the OpenGL consortium were slagging and microsoft took advantage of it.
Sounds like a Pebkac error.
How can disliking something be a pebkac? So because you enjoy it and a whole heap of people don't, it's a user error?
Yeah great argument.
Vestal
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Shitty Directx?!?! What are you talking about.. They improved directx to the heavens in version 8 and on.. Its not that developers didn't have a choice, its that OpenGL fell behind because they just couldn't keep up with what MS was pushing out.
derExperte
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If you can't get other that fundamental fact then don't use W8 or install some third-party replacement. I can only say that the start screen works fine for me and the refinements in 8.1 have removed almost all the problems I had with it. Would totally miss it if I had to use W7 again.
That's what it comes down to but M$MONOPOLYDURRHURR sound better.
I don't want to get into some stupid forum point scoring argument with you because you seem aggressive, convinced of your infallibility, and therefore a poor candidate for actual conversation.
But I will say the things that bother me that can be traced back to the need to support mobile touch devices in win 8 are font rendering, multi monitor support being irritating, and the hiving off of the desktop adding steps and clicks to my workflow.
List some real problems you had above the superficial change to to the look of the start menu that you don't like.
DirectX is a heavy, shitty API that was pushed very hard to become a standard but it's still not a great API. Lots of features and documentation? Yes. Good? No.
There's too much shit between the code and the hardware with DirectX.
I already bought Start8, thanks.
DirectX won out because OpenGL went to shit due to crappy management.
This post here is a very good read:
http://programmers.stackexchange.com/a/88055
derExperte
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Superuser tasks take fewer clicks in Windows 8 over Windows 7 if you cared to do any research on the OS and took the time to use it properly. I have the same issues and gripes on multi-monitor support that I have had on Windows 7 and 8, so no comment there.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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It wasn't until MS abused their dominant position to crush OpenGL a decade or so ago, OpenGL was giving far superior graphics to DirectX.
If it had been allowed to develop, I've no doubt it would still be superior today.
As it is, it's now up to to Sony to further develop it in house for the PS4
dragonelite
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Didn't they streamlined d3d with dx10 and dx11 make it more like openGL.
Dx9 was heavy is from what if been told.
Inbe4 fully optimized left4dead benchmark of valve.
DirectX 10 / 11 was more streamlining / making it easier to implement all sorts of advanced features which took a lot of coding in DirectX 9. However as for improving in, performance wise? So many games take a massive performance hit when going from DX9 to DX11, despite not adding anything of significance. The API is just so mind-numbingly heavy and I honestly rarely see it receive any praise.
I could care less about being a super user, it is about how to get the most work done per unit of time. Which reminds me, I gotta go.
edit: oh and not having to pay for retraining for no benefit.