Everybody who is interested in it is playing already. Release won't change much.
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Dispute over whether DotA2 has passed LoL in the west; LoL 500k concurrent US+EU
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Everybody who is interested in it is playing already. Release won't change much.
Well, I'd say the majority of players in the end will be the casual-ish crowd who currently aren't interested in the game or even know it exists, and just stumble onto the game through word of mouth or advertisements, similar to how LoL started to get bigger and bigger.
Believe Valve said that that is in the eventual pipeline.
Sentenza
Member
I already argued against this in the past, but just to reiterate: I'm calling bullshit on this argument.
The "mainstream audience" will take notice of DOTA 2 when the game will be available on the front page of Steam Store, ready to download and with a flashy banner pointing it.
That "circular map mode" actually spawned a new moba game called Infinite Crisis. Hopefully that'll be more successful than League's take on the map.
They will likely recreate the Original Pudge wars, where I bet a bunch of people are going to try variations. I personally want some sort of "Invoker Wars", where Invoker has access to all 10 of his spells at all times.
Yes, like nothing changed when TF2 went from "almost free" to "free". Everyone interested in TF2 had the game already, right...?
Oh, wait... http://gamasutra.com/view/news/164922/GDC_2012_How_Valve_made_Team_Fortress_2_freetoplay.php
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
TF2 went from £12-15 to free.
You can buy a Dota 2 key for 2p.
Not quite the same.
You can buy a Dota 2 key for 2p.
Not quite the same.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Still wasn't 2p.
It will grow, not because of it being free necessarily but because of the massive push it will receive on steam as well as media outlets.
There's also China to come in as well.
It will grow, not because of it being free necessarily but because of the massive push it will receive on steam as well as media outlets.
There's also China to come in as well.
Were there any popular free-to-play alternatives to TF2 back then similar to League of Legends now? I imagine a lot of those potential DOTA 2 adapters are currently playing LoL.
That's what I'm saying as well. The game being "free" already doesn't matter much. However...
...this is an important factor. I imagine a lot of LoL players won't make the jump, simply because DOTA2 is very similar and they have invested a lot of time in LoL already (and LoL has permanent features that help customer retention). On the other hand, LoL isn't on Steam so for the Steam-only crowd DOTA2 is totally new and LoL isn't an option. And by "Steam-only" I mean not only hardcore fans but also casuals that can't be arsed to search for games outside of Steam.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Agree with that
I think VALVe carry that cache as well, certainly the reason why I even got into Moba games was because VALVe copyrighted Dota.
I think VALVe carry that cache as well, certainly the reason why I even got into Moba games was because VALVe copyrighted Dota.
It's only 2p if you go to the Steam Community market, purchase a key with your Steam Wallet funds, and then activate that key.
I can count the number of people on my friendslist who even know the Steam community market exists on 1 hand.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
But you only have 5 friends on your friends list.
Delusibeta
Banned
Naww man WARLOCK now that map needs a version with proper netcode.
TwiztidElf
Member
Eh. I'm a casual SC2 and LoL player. More than happy to try DOTA2 when it releases.
Not going to bother till then. It's a mix of not really having time, can't be bothered/too lazy to do whatever you have to do to get into beta, and I've waited this long so I may aswell wait for the full official retail product with all the champions available on day 1.
This is so unbelievably wrong.
forgeforsaken
Member
Can we get a title update.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
I find it odd that DOTA 2 runs so poorly on my machine. Is it unoptimized?
Xfire offers a lot of the same things the Steam overlay offers, none of which LoL offers in-game. So there is a point, not to mention video recording, screenshots etc.
Riot is so quick to let people know they're the biggest and the bestest. It's kinda funny.
Smushroomed
Banned
This topic is gonna make me try out hon
Arozay
Member
Well at least you're skipping LoL
SteveWinwood
Member
Play smite.
Or maybe Demigod.
It's funny that as many times that Valve is completely silent and it's really frustrating, there are just as many times that it saves them from being dicks.
SteveWinwood
Member
I wasn't saying Riot was being dicks. I was saying if Valve had embraced this report in some way and defended it when it turned out to be wrong they could come across as silly looking.
But they're on vacation anyway.
Ah, then I misunderstood your post, my apologies.
So You are saying that people who play LoL, dont know that DOTA 2 exist?
SteveWinwood
Member
I had four acquaintances who all play lol and played a lot of original dota who were only playing lol to "waste time until dota 2 came out". They had no clue until one of them asked me about it 2 or 3 months ago.
/personal anecdote
They just have no self confidence in their product. That why they use propaganda and sabotage the competition.
From personal experience I think a lot of LoL players don't care until Dota2 offically releases. A large amount of the people I know that play LoL say that they don't want to get into Dota2 until all of the heroes have been added.
As scummy as Riot have been in some regards, and some individual employees, you can't say that it hasn't been successful. Whoever is behind their marketing done an amazing job, not that I condone any of it but from a business perspective it's impressive. I remember playing in the first beta for LoL and wondering to myself why anyone would play it over HoN or DotA but here we are with riot having huge concurrent and monthly player numbers. I think part of that is down to the shit slinging between communities too. There's people out there who apparently hate the game but you would swear that they spend more time talking about it than playing whatever it is they like.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Riot putting Dota in its place I see.
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Deleted member 74300
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Optimized for hats.
They haven't started optimising it for low-end machines yet, which is going to be the key to trying to get the chinese dota community to switch to 2, so I'm assuming they're going to start doing that sometime around the chinese release.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Surpassing WoW users is rather worthless as a top end size metric as it's not even the largest mmo number wise. WoWs schtick is that all those users are paying customers either by suscription e.g monthly etc or by the hour. In comparison to f2p games when only a very small amount of users actually pay anything. So the most probable scenario is that WoW will continue to dwarf it's revenue stream.
That's why subscription mmo's were seen as the golden goose.
Luminous_Reaver
Neo Member
In the interest of fair discussion, I feel that HoN is a nice intermediary between Dota and LoL in terms of complexity and depth. Unless you're solely expressing your distaste for the art style, in which case I share your sentiment. HoN is very... unnecessarily bleak.
I congratulate, everything has been said.
I can give you a key if you want one. Most heroes are already there (I think there're 5 missing?): PM if you wan the key.
I won't deny that.
As some who plays LoL, I've also played some DotA2 if only because I was curious about how much harder it is mechanically. And it's not _that_ much harder (really, not at all, just different).
I still follow the tournaments but I really wish you guys had better casters ;__;
I don't understand this, to be honest. I don't really have a problem with DotA2 but the vitriol between the communities is ridiculous :/
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