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[Zombie James]

It seems like there's this growing movement away from tradition forms of anti-aliasing to more customized, less resource-intensive methods (MLAA, DLAA). These algorithms are only going to get better and the hardware they're going to be running on will be that much better as well. Do you think next-generation will finally be the one where high quality anti-aliasing will be cheap enough (performance-wise) where every game can use it?

 

[Poyunch]

Must resist avatar quote...

but honestly I rather developers focus on having stable framerates. But it's pretty apparent this gen that that's not a priority.

 

[Ether_Snake]

That or some post-effect-base anti-aliasing of some sort. Unless we end up rendering at a higher resolution, in which case no.

Must resist avatar quote...

but honestly I rather developers focus on having stable framerates. But it's pretty apparent this gen that that's not a priority.

Framerate is a result of how much you render, unless it is poorly optimized. So even the best games could still have low framerate if the devs want to render more stuff. What could happen is that 60FPS will become mandatory from Sony and MS, but I find it unlikely.

 

[badcrumble]

The only way a console generation will be "jaggy free" is if all console manufacturers adopt standards that require a minimum level of AA to pass cert.

edit: the same goes for 60fps

 

[mr_nothin]

Must resist avatar quote...

but honestly I rather developers focus on having stable framerates. But it's pretty apparent this gen that that's not a priority.

lol, perfect.
Maybe these companies should start looking into making a separate/dedicated AA component.

 

[Shalashaska161]

We can only hope. I can see it happening before games are all 60fps though.

 

[TheVampire]

Well yeah since the current 360/PS3 hardware is like 5 years old now

 

[Oblivion]

I have no idea how graphics work, but isn't it also dependent on your T.V.?

 

[Nirolak]

I predict that in the quest for better and better graphics, we'll have sub-HD resolutions, low/no AA, low/no AF, and terrible framerates with screentearing.

 

[UltimateIke]

It seems that resolution, frame rate, and anti-aliasing are always sacrificed to push more effects. I'm hoping next-gen fixes that.

 

[Pinzer]

Fewer jaggies this gen than last. Probably fewer next gen.

 

[Rainier]

I don't know, isn't 1080p a better bullet point than 60 FPS?

 

[Zombie James]

Must resist avatar quote...

but honestly I rather developers focus on having stable framerates. But it's pretty apparent this gen that that's not a priority.

Well, that's what I mean. MLAA on the new AMD cards, for example, come with negligible performance hits on most games:

 

[jambo]

I don't know, isn't 1080p a better bullet point than 60 FPS?

Plus 30 FPS is more cinematic.

 

[Speevy]

No, they're needed so you can get cut up in 3D.

 

[duk]

can't stand jaggies howeve i can't stand unstable framerates even more

 

[Sinatar]

The only way this would happen is if console manufacturers mandated it and forced it on through the hardware. Developers otherwise would always sacrifice it for some other whiz bang shit.

I mean christ, 5 years into this console life cycle and developers still struggle to maintain 30 fps @ sub HD resolutions.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

I don't give a crap about "jaggies"...

60fps standard or bust!

 

[-COOLIO-]

I predict that in the quest for better and better graphics, we'll have sub-HD resolutions, low/no AA, low/no AF, and terrible framerates with screentearing.

which is worth it for better graphics

 

[ghst]

i hope you aren't just waiting for mass-market consoles to catch up with your specialist standards.

 

[subversus]

I hope for mlaa implementation and 1280 as a standard. Fuck 1920. Eats a lot of resources, adds nothing to experience.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Hell no

 

[Stallion Free]

I hope for mlaa implementation and 1280 as a standard. Fuck 1920. Eats a lot of resources, adds nothing to experience.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Shinjitsu]

Plus 30 FPS is more cinematic.

24fps or bust!

 

[DrBo42]

Even if the next generation didn't include Nintendo, no.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Too early for jaggies to be gone.

 

[dwebo]

I have no idea how graphics work, but isn't it also dependent on your T.V.?

Yep. I don't even notice them too badly in Wii games. /hugs plasma

 

[udivision]

<Monster Hunter Joke>

 

[DiscoJer]

I just hope it gets rid of terrain pop-up/draw-in in racing games. It's a lot rarer these days, but still you often see it in rear view mirrors, where if anything, it's even more distracting.

 

[disappeared]

jaggies be damned. 60-frames should have been an industry standard years ago.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Framerate is a result of how much you render, unless it is poorly optimized. So even the best games could still have low framerate if the devs want to render more stuff. What could happen is that 60FPS will become mandatory from Sony and MS, but I find it unlikely.

I'd buy the next gen consoles if the specs remained the same and this is the only thing that changed.

 

[Lazy8s]

TBDR is what's been needed to address the issues of image quality. These console designers just don't get it.

 

[Trent Strong]

jaggies be damned. 60-frames should have been an industry standard years ago.

Whatever framerate is good enough for TV and movies should be good enough for video games, yes?

 

[luka]

I don't know, isn't 1080p a better bullet point than 60 FPS?

60fps isn't cinematic enough, but 1080p is too clean and clinical.

HMM...

 

[Pikelet]

I hope for mlaa implementation and 1280 as a standard. Fuck 1920. Eats a lot of resources, adds nothing to experience.

:lol

I am guessing you don't play pc games?
1920x1080 is a massive improvement over 1280x720. Not just in terms of looks, but also the extra amount of things that can be thrown on screen

 

[Lionheart1337]

Jaggies don't bother me at all. I really don't get the big deal.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Whatever framerate is good enough for TV and movies should be good enough for video games, yes?

Problem is, movies and TV don't require input from the viewer. You can feel button delay in a video game if the framerate gets too low.

 

[TheSeks]

I predict that in the quest for better and better graphics, we'll have sub-HD resolutions, low/no AA, low/no AF, and terrible framerates with screentearing.

So, basically: This generation 2.0 then?

 

[Nirolak]

So, basically: This generation 2.0 then?

Yeah, but with truly astounding super-sampled renders for screenshots.

 

[Tashi]

I love jaggies.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Jaggies are here to stay.

 

[DeBurgo]

5 years after they're gone there will be a post on neogaf lamenting the loss of jaggies in games.

 

[way more]

Won't somebody think of the jaggies!

 

[Thetallywacker]

Jaggies make up the letter J you dumb fuck. Without them their would be no alphabet.

 

[stuminus3]

The only way to be jaggy free is to play on PC, and even that's not guaranteed.

Far too many people don't give a shit about image quality. Far too many people are too fucking dumb to close their wallets and walk away.

 

[Gully State]

Less jaggies- maybe
60 FPS minimum- not a chance..

 

[aaaaaa]

Next gen will be this gen + more gimmicks. So no.

 

[Noisepurge]

Antialiasing and 60fps 1080p should be the future standard...but it wont since everyone will do 3D first and that will drop all resolutions and fps´s down again.

 

[farnham]

Nintendo ?

 

[Scrow]

I hope for mlaa implementation and 1280 as a standard. Fuck 1920. Eats a lot of resources, adds nothing to experience.

what an odd logic. someone could easily argue the same point for keeping the resolution a step below 1280. increasing resolution adds to the experience at each step.