If the game suddenly made it so that i could attack players in the wilds on a whim, it would get a 10/10 from me. 11/10 if i get their stuff when they die.
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Does Bungie know what they're doing with Destiny?
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If the game suddenly made it so that i could attack players in the wilds on a whim, it would get a 10/10 from me. 11/10 if i get their stuff when they die.
That one mode - Iron banner
They even out level advantages and damage/defense, but other things like weapon/armor perks still matter. Quicker revives, radar while ADS, rocket tracking, armor piercing, etc etc etc.
I think many people are still playing Destiny just because there's no other big game to play with your friends right now, especially on PS4. People are probably sick of Battlefield 4, not that many play Killzone, and Titanfall is pretty much the only other option on Xbox One.
It'll be interesting to see how the population is once more games release in November.
schadenfood
Member
Amused at the fact that this thread is trending way higher than the OT.
I'm hoping that Bungie's going to offer an enormous amount of changes in the first expansion, similar to what Blizzard did with the RoS expansion--but I'm not holding my breath.
I'm hoping that Bungie's going to offer an enormous amount of changes in the first expansion, similar to what Blizzard did with the RoS expansion--but I'm not holding my breath.
GuitarAtomik
Member
The OT is in Community now (and on OT8) so it's not going to show up in Gaming anymore.
I had no idea that happened, and was wondering where it had gone.
Anton Sugar
Member
I'm pretty certain weapon/armor perks are applied in Crucible and not just Iron Banner. You can blind people inside Ward of Dawn, for example, if you have the ability activated on the Helm of Saint-14.
Leyasu
Banned
They have just gutted the autorifles... I was just in the tower watching a load of high level players miling around because they have nothing to do... Or just cant face sepics prime for the 40th time..
Like te person you replied to said, halo and cod are going to gut destinys player base..
The AR nerf was very slight, what are you talking about?
Storm Raider
Banned
I disagree, the range nerf was quite severe. Also, head shots are near useless now. This is in PVE I'm speaking of.
It's the damage that's equalized in crucible. All the perks still work, so it's this sort of weird attempt at making weapons balanced at each other while still letting people have CoD style perks.
NullPointer
Member
Yep. Level differences are normalized in terms of base health and damage done, but class skills and weapon upgrades and armor upgrades still count, and thats in the normal PvP.
Iron Banner just adds those level differences back into the mix, or at least its supposed to, but it hasn't quite been tuned that way, so the differences aren't as stark between the modes as one would think.
Which one? AR's should be garbage at range, Suros is still great, as is Epilogue, can't speak on all of them. The nerf did little to them in PVP though.
SteveO1683
Member
Given what Luke Smith stated in a recent interview with Kotaku it would seem like they don't.
http://tmi.kotaku.com/q-a-the-lead-designer-of-destinys-vault-of-glass-1647227058
Just from that I have the feeling the RAID is going to be updated to teleport people at random during the final encounter.
http://tmi.kotaku.com/q-a-the-lead-designer-of-destinys-vault-of-glass-1647227058
Just from that I have the feeling the RAID is going to be updated to teleport people at random during the final encounter.
TemplaerDude
Member
My legendary shadow price became my 3rd best weapon behind a rare pulse rifle and rare scout rifle. It was pretty extreme. Balancing pve and PvP the same is so so stupid.
Someone should post that Oprah gif.
Dream Wanderer
Neo Member
I'm not a fan of the idea but I enjoy the Raid. Looking forward to Luke and the rest of the teams efforts in the next one.
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Deleted member 752119
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CoD, Master Chief collection etc. will probably pull some away from Destiny PvP. Those games have little pull for those of us only into the PvE though. So I wouldn't expect to see a big drop in people doing the strikes raids etc. Maybe as it gets further along and more hit 29-30 and decide to stop until the DLC.
The Lamonster
Member
Except it will take DeeJ four paragraphs to say it.
Diablohead
Member
When you make an encounter and force the 3 at the back to teleport you should also realize people will learn how it works and use it to their advantage.
If this is wrong and they do change it to random that is seriously dumb and I honestly think the developers are not planning encounters correctly.
Bungie are very competent, but they obviously dropped the ball with Destiny. It's not going to be the monumental landmark of a game they wanted. Poor word of mouth, middling reviews made sure of that. Now they're stuck with this thing, trying to figure out what they want to do with it, where to take it.
Consoles never had a WoW. I'm not talking specifically about an MMORPG, but a big watercooler online-connected game that will go on for ages, and that even your grandmother has heard of. I think Bungie wanted Destiny to be that game, but for some reason they screwed up on a lot of fronts and are now having to deal with re-focusing what's to come. I'm excited to see where they take it, but I'm also sad that they didn't get to make that game.
Consoles never had a WoW. I'm not talking specifically about an MMORPG, but a big watercooler online-connected game that will go on for ages, and that even your grandmother has heard of. I think Bungie wanted Destiny to be that game, but for some reason they screwed up on a lot of fronts and are now having to deal with re-focusing what's to come. I'm excited to see where they take it, but I'm also sad that they didn't get to make that game.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You would be the only one playing...
Storm Raider
Banned
Shadow Price and Monte Carlo are what I use from time to time.
cpp_is_king
Member
I've said this before and I'll say it again. The problem is not relying on randomness to get your drops. That's literally the bread and butter of every online game ever. The problem is that the only thing that pops is your drop, so you have no idea what actually dropped for the group.
Having done some of Destiny's raids, it seems to me that at least 1-2 pieces of gear are in fact guaranteed to drop from every boss. They just might not drop *for you*. But it's important to understand that this is how most other games do it. The difference is that: a) Everyone gets a chance to see the item that dropped, and b) everyone gets a chance to roll on it, or pass.
On the surface this doesn't seem much different, but if you look deeper it is far superior.
1) Someone who gets the same drop again can pass on it, giving others the chance to get it.
2) When you're sitting there waiting and waiting to see what dropped, you aren't as disappointed, because at least you see a piece of epic loot instead of just some random crafting material.
3) If it is something you want, you at least feel like you have a chance at it, because you can roll on it. Instead of having the system just say "sorry, you don't get this".
But really this is just one problem with Destiny's endgame. The other problem is that there's just nothing to do. The raid is a fucking joke. It's not hardcore, and it's not hard. People were hyping it so intensely as the hardest experience they've ever done in a videogame. It's fucking garbage. You can go in with a random PUG and clear it in an hour. Oh, and there's only one raid. and you can only do it once a week.
Putting all this together, you can do endgame content in Destinyfor about an hour a week. There's nothing else. There's no other raids. There's no benefit to farming anything. When a WoW expansion is released they come with like 10 dungeons and 5+ raids. And the raids are challenging, even after you've beaten it once. That's how you do it.
But what are they gonna do? All the classes in Destiny are basically identical. How are you gonna make a challenging and dynamic encounter when your entire party composition is basically the same dude 5 times.
Having done some of Destiny's raids, it seems to me that at least 1-2 pieces of gear are in fact guaranteed to drop from every boss. They just might not drop *for you*. But it's important to understand that this is how most other games do it. The difference is that: a) Everyone gets a chance to see the item that dropped, and b) everyone gets a chance to roll on it, or pass.
On the surface this doesn't seem much different, but if you look deeper it is far superior.
1) Someone who gets the same drop again can pass on it, giving others the chance to get it.
2) When you're sitting there waiting and waiting to see what dropped, you aren't as disappointed, because at least you see a piece of epic loot instead of just some random crafting material.
3) If it is something you want, you at least feel like you have a chance at it, because you can roll on it. Instead of having the system just say "sorry, you don't get this".
But really this is just one problem with Destiny's endgame. The other problem is that there's just nothing to do. The raid is a fucking joke. It's not hardcore, and it's not hard. People were hyping it so intensely as the hardest experience they've ever done in a videogame. It's fucking garbage. You can go in with a random PUG and clear it in an hour. Oh, and there's only one raid. and you can only do it once a week.
Putting all this together, you can do endgame content in Destinyfor about an hour a week. There's nothing else. There's no other raids. There's no benefit to farming anything. When a WoW expansion is released they come with like 10 dungeons and 5+ raids. And the raids are challenging, even after you've beaten it once. That's how you do it.
But what are they gonna do? All the classes in Destiny are basically identical. How are you gonna make a challenging and dynamic encounter when your entire party composition is basically the same dude 5 times.
I think you greatly underestimate the potential of such a game. Runescapes wilderness was fantastic. Well yeah, i meant that as satire, but i would prefer that to the bounty reskins.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
What are you talking about? You can see everyone's drops in the raid.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You seriously think people would risk losing their exotics in this game because someone sniped them while they were doing a patrol mission? Not happening.
Exotics ain't got shit on Abyssal whips.(When they first came out) Look, like i said, it was satire. But if you think about this seriously, it's been done before and it was awesome.
cpp_is_king
Member
You just see "someone obtained X". You can't look at it, it doesn't pop up for you. And most of the time you aren't even paying attention, because you're looking in the top right corner at the icon of the shitty Ascendant Shard you got.
Man, I'd be happy with shards. You need tons and I'm lacking.
Energy on the other hand...
Anton Sugar
Member
It would be nice if they implemented something akin to Borderland's duel system.
Well said. When VoG first came out and I heard 14-16 completion times, I figured it would go down to 8-10 hours after people got used to it.
Amazing that it can be done in less than 2 hours now. That's like the amount of time it took some friends and I to beat the Phogoth strike when we were starting out.
Anton Sugar
Member
dp
Twilight Gap
Member
even if it's unintended, is that necessarily a bad thing? as the saying goes, the best discoveries are found by accident. i think stuff like these embody the design behind the raid.
by all means, fix the boss so he doesn't fall off, but randomness each time would distill the roles players set for themselves and limit the weapons you can use during the fight.
HiredN00bs
Member
Holy shit, someone who actually knows what they're talking about posted in this thread.
Space Coyote?
Twilight Gap
Member
i feel the same. it's certainly possible, but i don't think it'll work with the current lobby system. they'd need matchmaking to replicate that level of commitment and team building - at least to some degree
That's absolutely true. I can't even think of how to mock up how that would look. That guy is a pro at writing fluff. I almost wish we could all band together to only submit 3 questions for mail bag so he wouldn't pick and choose the poor ones
pharmx
Member
Once upon a time, some mmorpg's had real consequences to dying, like losing your equipment. And I mean permanently, not just having to "repair" it. Of course sometimes you could recover it by finding your corpse and looting your own equipment back. Those same games had pk modes where you could attack and kill other players and loot their corpses and their equipment. It was always voluntary if you wanted to flag yourself as pk or not, unless you played on a PvP only server. Those days are long gone however.
Yeah, I'd like to see you PUG *HARD* mode in an hour...
In my opinion, the difficulty of the Raid is just perfect - it took us around 10 hours to clear for the first time, we had to learn the mechanics, the roles, the teamwork. 2nd run was 2-3 hours, now it's just a cakewalk. It has all the teamwork I expected going in and all the satisfaction of progress. You really feel getting better at it. For me, that's the whole point of the game. Now we are doing the same with hard mode. By the time we master it, the new DLC will be out with new content and another raid.
I agree, there's not nearly enough content in Destiny at the moment, but I still vastly prefer it's system of gradually adding new content in contrast to some MMO-s, where there's such an overwhelming amount of unnecessary content, that it puts me off right at the start.