dr_rus
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Doom Game Informer Details
- Thread starter kinaesthete
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Did you try lowering the settings?
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Patrick S.
Banned
I had huge texture loading problems in RAGE on the Xbox 360, but in Wolfenstein on the PC I had 0 issues.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
The best shots so far have been Hell. The Mars base levels look hella dull.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
In plenty of cases, this is not true. I have an i7 4790k, 16GB of RAM, and an SSD and it STILL happened.
The engine is poorly optimized and it has suffered from this issue for some time.
I eventually had to download a hot fix by a modder that resolved most of those issues. As a student and a programmer, I really don't want to mess with configs, mods, and other nonsense just to get the game looking like it should.
I remember that did resolve most issues, but not all of them. Oh well. Just the fact that PC gamer already mentioned the problem cropping up makes me wary. It's one of my pet peeves lol
Smurfman256
Member
What's your GPU? The more VRAM you have, the better.
kinaesthete
Member
Got around to listening to it, some interesting stuff in there. You covered a good chunk of it, between this and the other coverage their level design philosophy appears set in stone as "arenas loosely connected with slightly branching exploration bits, sometimes containing secrets". On a completely arbitrary scale where Doom and Doom IIs level design is a 0 and Wolfenstein TNO is a 10, this seems like it's around a 7?
Difficulty modes were touched on also, Marty mentioned Hurt Me Plenty, Nightmare, and Ultra Nightmare (No Ultra-Violence?) and apparently one modifier Nightmare has is that checkpoints are disabled, you have to get through the entire mission on one life. Nothing specific about Ultra Nightmare other than it sounding like some crazy hard hidden difficulty.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
GTX 670. This is more than enough for the game.
ID's engine used in RAGE and Wolfenstein is notorious for being more CPU intensive anyways.
EDIT: Welp, I stand corrected about VRAM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz2m2QLDkT0
From video:
"It's not CPU or GPU constained, but VRAM constrained...It doesn't matter how fast your GPU or CPU is, what matters is how much VRAM you have...This game kinda works counter to every other engine on the planet, really... "
I think this is bullocks. Most games these days are still designed with 2GB VRAM, so for a game that doesn't look as beautiful as most modern releases and struggle on high end gear is just maddening to me.
Yes but it's a big difference going from a 670 to a 970 in Wolfestein
Smurfman256
Member
Yeah, I have a 4770K and a GTX 780 and both of those NEVER go above 65% usage (about 40% per core on CPU), HOWEVER using uncompressed textures sucks up a whopping 2880MB of VRAM. Using compressed textures knocks it down bt about a gigabyte.
SliChillax
Member
Now you understand why people hate id tech 5 game engine.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Yeah, one of the issues I discovered was that the game seems to be optimized for consoles more than PC's because with a controller your turn sensitivity is significantly slower which gives the engine more time to render textures outside of view when turning.
On pc however, you spin around really quickly, which causes the issue to stand out 10 fold when running on comparable settings/specs to what the console relative was using.
I'm just not a fan of the engine because of this.
Yep...I certainly do.
kinaesthete
Member
I never had much of a problem with Rage but Wolfenstein and The Evil Within had some bizarre performance issues on my i7 + 970. Lots of framerate drops seemingly out of nowhere, not sure how I managed to avoid texture pop in? It was very noticeable with Rage (and an older gfx card at the time). Crazy how that apparently isn't solved even with much better hardware.
Smurfman256
Member
Thankfully, while I can't say much due to NDA, I CAN say that id Tech 6 is MUCH less VRAM intensive and is showing signs of being a VERY well optimized engine.
SliChillax
Member
I mean I would understand the massive vram if the textures actually looked good but every id tech 5 game looks horrible if you look at the textures carefully.
Yeah I've read about that. Let's hope for the best
Fahzgoolin
Banned
LOL precisely. I'm not really a graphics snob (I still play Doom 1 & 2 without complaints), but when textures are that muddy and inconsistent, it's just insufferable when the engine can't keep up.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
I mean I would understand the massive vram if the textures actually looked good but every id tech 5 game looks horrible if you look at the textures carefully.
Yeah I've read about that. Let's hope for the best
Haven't played the new Doom, but the thing to understand about virtual texturing tech is that it doesn't necessarily make for higher fidelity, but rather more diversity. So looking up close for individual pixels in a small piece of a texture isn't a good way to appreciate what the engine is doing. Rather, the opposite should be true: look at an entire room or area to notice much less repeated patterns, or none at all. Granted, level design needs to showcase this for it to be meaningful. If you're game world is full of repeating patterns by nature of its content then you're probably better off with a different engine.
dr_rus
Member
Not really. Depending on the settings you're using you may easily be running out of VRAM on a 670. Wolfenstein is quite easy to push beyond 4GB. The higher the VRAM consumption the more apparent the texture loading will be. System RAM seems to help as well as running the game on a 8GB and 32GB machine shows some difference in how often the textures are pushed out.
Tech5 is very RAM intensive in general. But a modern machine can handle it easily. I've beaten TNO on a 970 with 32GBs of RAM in 2560x1600 and I can't say that texture loading bothered me at all.
Textures can be different or they can be the same. The more the difference is the more VRAM you need for them even if their resolution is the same. This is the main reason why Tech5 textures are somewhat low res - they are mostly unique.
SliChillax
Member
I realize what the engine is supposed to achieve but I just haven't seen the diversity compared to other games. The drawback outweighed the positive effect it was supposed to have I guess.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
id has really gone downhill since quake 3
after the mess that was rage think ill wait awhile on this one for reviews and patches
Well in fairness that hasn't been much in terms of quantity to properly judge them. Doom 3 was a good game in its own right, but consciously or not it felt more like a Half-Life title than something truly Doom like, which Doom 4 (which I'll always call it, stop being stubborn id) looks to do a lot more without being needlessly regressive.
Rage clearly looked like it bit off more than it could chew. Doom, in contrast, looks like it's just trying to achieve the feel of the older titles but with modern sensibilities and engagement.
potatohead
Member
This gon be gud.
Smurfman256
Member
Some interesting things that were brought up in the new Game Informer article (this time on multiplayer):
- Apparently when you set your loadout, you can choose what demon you spawn as when you pick up the demon rune; it's not randomized.
- They compared it to Smash Bros. in that you don't need super-fast reflexes to play the game, you can just jump in and blow the hell out of everything.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Could consoles not handle exterior environments though? How hard are skyboxes to implement?!
Smurfman256
Member
I think it's less "Consoles couldn't handle outdoor spaces" as "there's not enough space on the blu ray for these things." Considering the game's using MUCH higher-res resources than RAGE, the size of said assets will, in turn, be MUCH larger. They're probably struggling with disc-space as it is.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Wtf at the bolded. It's still a competitive shooter...are they suggesting you don't get instarekt like in COD or something, because that's what a TTK higher than -5 seconds will do for you
Demon loadout preference is cool though, and will be a nice way to keep it fresh (as long as it's balanced and you don't see people all sticking to one)
MiguelItUp
Member
[Fugo];193372616 said:
Not sure, they haven't said anything about them as of yet. I mean, other DOOM 2 enemies are present, so I wouldn't rule them out. But I guess we'll see.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
[Fugo];193372616 said:
Would be cool... Have a feeling they will not be a plentiful due to them being notoriously frustrating to some players.
Smurfman256
Member
That's exactly what they're suggesting. TTK was about 3.5 seconds for one weapon and 2.8 for swapping.
Dictator93
Member
To be blunt. Screw those players, Doom should make me shit myself.
Smurfman256
Member
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/42rpaf/doom_modders_check_this/ Somebody just translated this part of the PC Games Magazine article. It says
MiguelItUp
Member
The hub has been updated and there's a new article / video focusing more on SnapMap. The thing I'm kind of wondering is if SnapMap created maps only support a maximum of 4 players? I believe multiplayer supports 12, but I think it's strange that Stratton emphasizes on saying 4 rather than "4 or more", etc. Could be looking into it a bit more than necessary. I just like the idea of creating Deathmatch maps for 12 players rather than 4.
Ixion
Member
The hub has been updated and there's a new article / video focusing more on SnapMap. The thing I'm kind of wondering is if SnapMap created maps only support a maximum of 4 players? I believe multiplayer supports 12, but I think it's strange that Stratton emphasizes on saying 4 rather than "4 or more", etc. Could be looking into it a bit more than necessary. I just like the idea of creating Deathmatch maps for 12 players rather than 4.
SnapMap only allows for up to four players I'm afraid.
Brian_FETO
Banned
TTK was fabulous in the alpha, just seems like really weird grounds for a Smash Bros comparison. I'd go for something like Timesplitters, or you know....any FPS lol
huh, thats kind of new thread worthy actually
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
When we have the toolkit, yeah. Now it's just refreshing news. Also, the new video on Game Informer talks only about the Snapmap
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...e-doom-why-snapmap-is-id-s-secret-weapon.aspx
Ixion
Member
Exploring will help you finish the levels, so I wouldn't say it's cosmetic. Finding powerful weapons early, finding weapon mods, finding powerups, finding upgrade items ("Argent Cells"), finding story/lore nuggets, etc. It's not like you're encouraged to explore just to check out the decorations. You're encouraged to explore in order to grow more powerful or learn more about the world. And Marty has said that there's a lot of room to grow more powerful if you search hard enough.
I imagine the level design will be similar to E1M2 from the original Doom. If you remember, finishing the level wasn't too complicated, but the player can unlock that whole optional dark maze area that leads to a weapon that can be acquired early (chainsaw). The recent previews have mentioned a bunch of similar sections.
BlindJesus
Member
Only four in Snapmap mode? Or only four people allowed in a snapmap made map?
Smurfman256
Member
OK Game Informer, where's that last article?
kinaesthete
Member
Guessing they just put the wrong date on the landing page since they've been going up MWF the whole time.
Ixion
Member
Only four people can play a SnapMap creation at once.
Broadbandito
Member
probably in snapmap together making stuff together
BlindJesus
Member
That is very disheartening to hear. What's the incentive of spending tons of time making a map if you can only play 2v2 or (small) FFA. I doubt how critically acclaimed the map-maker will be if 90% of people will never play anything smaller than 3v3.
Ixion
Member
Single-player and co-op experiences will definitely be the focus. For competitive multiplayer, I agree that it's bit disappointing.
Perhaps iD feels that user created multiplayer maps were never a big thing for Doom anyway.
kinaesthete
Member
Last article went up, a Hands on with Snapmap. There's actually a couple interesting tidbits in here that make it sound more promising.
Ignoring the auto-populate bit (assume this would be the same thing if it was manually populated the same amount), this could be really important both for Snapmap and possibly the campaign as well. I was concerned that the main games combat would lock you into killboxes and force you to kill waves of enemies before moving on and now they've gone out of their way to mention a tech feature that implies you can theoretically just run past enemy encounters and possibly have to deal with them later. Levels being clockwork spaces with persistent enemies is a step up from most modern single player shooters, makes me more hopeful for the final game.
It also mentions that there are a ton of props, including crates (everyone's fav), that seem like a way to get around the lack of geometry editing a bit. Spaces partially laid out using custom placed props will probably look silly but that's a huge improvement in gameplay variety over only having static rooms.
Ignoring the auto-populate bit (assume this would be the same thing if it was manually populated the same amount), this could be really important both for Snapmap and possibly the campaign as well. I was concerned that the main games combat would lock you into killboxes and force you to kill waves of enemies before moving on and now they've gone out of their way to mention a tech feature that implies you can theoretically just run past enemy encounters and possibly have to deal with them later. Levels being clockwork spaces with persistent enemies is a step up from most modern single player shooters, makes me more hopeful for the final game.
It also mentions that there are a ton of props, including crates (everyone's fav), that seem like a way to get around the lack of geometry editing a bit. Spaces partially laid out using custom placed props will probably look silly but that's a huge improvement in gameplay variety over only having static rooms.
Dictator93
Member
Is this the first time we are seeing the cover art?
Is this the first time we are seeing the cover art?
Kind of dig that cover