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DOOM Lead Programmer: 4K Gaming On Xbox Scorpio Is A Waste of Resources
- Thread starter fluffydelusions
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I'm glad they are letting developers decide on how to use the power. And seeing PS4P patched games getting options of sorts is good. I would much rather stable 60 framerates before pushing 4K resolution personally.
This tweet was already made for a thread 6 months ago.
Without a new CPU, 6tflops in scorpio means about as much as 4.2tflops means in Pro. There's only so much developers are going to bother doing for a niche like iterative consoles, over PS4 and XB1. So you cant expect all of them to waste their time providing marginally better graphical options from PC versions or trying to hit 60fps instead of just pushing that power into resolution boosts.
Without a new CPU, 6tflops in scorpio means about as much as 4.2tflops means in Pro. There's only so much developers are going to bother doing for a niche like iterative consoles, over PS4 and XB1. So you cant expect all of them to waste their time providing marginally better graphical options from PC versions or trying to hit 60fps instead of just pushing that power into resolution boosts.
Jacksinthe
Banned
After seeing supersampling to 1080p on pro-
1080p has a looooong way to go, yet. The IQ in games like Ratchet and Clank is BONKERS.
No plans to buy a 4k TV even though though my 1080 set is on its way out.
HDR + 1080p supersampling is huge. HDR is a bigger upgrade, IMO.
1080p has a looooong way to go, yet. The IQ in games like Ratchet and Clank is BONKERS.
No plans to buy a 4k TV even though though my 1080 set is on its way out.
HDR + 1080p supersampling is huge. HDR is a bigger upgrade, IMO.
The 4K push is just too early. More consumers would prefer 1080p improvements over 4K visuals since they only have an HDTV now. Both MS and Sony should've waited until they could both produce a console powerful enough to output 4K/60 FPS for AAA games. I don't think the Scorpio will be powerful enough to do this hence the "waste of resources comment."
WhiskerFrisker
Member
I'll take what the PS4 Pro does, but even better. Super sampling games is fantastic.
I want more 4K content but not at Xbox One fidelity. Sony's checkerboard rendering technique is very impressive so I'm hoping to see more developers find creative ways to boost resolution while saving on resources.
10% by the end of the 2016.
10% by the end of the 2016.
Movalpolos
Banned
Agreed.
Otakumegane
Member
Yup. Before moving on to 1080p at 60fps should be the priority.
The upscalers on 4k tvs ar supposed to be really good for 1080p games, so I doubt this will happen.
Alpha Phoenix
Member
Isn't HDR only supported by 4K TVs? At least that's what I've observed.
Smart guy
60fps@1080p with better textures/effects should be the focus.
4k vs 1080p is barely noticable in motion on a tv that sits several meters away
Hdr though, is noticable and worth it
it is going to get a new cpu, Phil basically confirmed it when he directly mentions their discarded idea of releasing a half step this year like sony.
Peter Ian Staker
Member
Framerate improves gameplay and gameplay is king.
I am looking at a new monitor and I will gladly pay the premium to get a 1440p/144hz monitor with G-sync over a cheaper plain 4k/60fps monitor.
I am looking at a new monitor and I will gladly pay the premium to get a 1440p/144hz monitor with G-sync over a cheaper plain 4k/60fps monitor.
Collateral22
Member
Doesn't it need to equivilant to an i5 to run Oculus Rift?
I still feel like MS has made a strange move with Scorpio. They seem to be trying to push it as a really big upgrade over the Xbox One. Saying things like "We didn't want to do a half step" like Sony did etc. Phil dropped several hints that it might not even be Jaguar based - so possibly Zen. A new SoC - that's impressive but could raise all sorts of compatibility issues with the original Xbox One games unless they work out a way of making it mimic the OG Xb1 without needing software patches.
It's all very well and good them doing this and releasing some monster box, but they've also gone and said that it won't have exclusive games - everything that launches for it will also launch for the OG Xb1. Therefore games are likely going to simply be developed for the OG Xb1 and then given a resolution bump on Scorpio. This is fine but, as I expect will be the case with Pro, support from devs will vary and so will the results. You will get some Ratchet and Clank results or, from what we're hearing, Horizon Zero Dawn, where a dev goes the extra mile and does some incredible things. However you will probably get just as many where devs simply whack a downsample on it and call it a day.
It's gonna be an interesting year!
It's all very well and good them doing this and releasing some monster box, but they've also gone and said that it won't have exclusive games - everything that launches for it will also launch for the OG Xb1. Therefore games are likely going to simply be developed for the OG Xb1 and then given a resolution bump on Scorpio. This is fine but, as I expect will be the case with Pro, support from devs will vary and so will the results. You will get some Ratchet and Clank results or, from what we're hearing, Horizon Zero Dawn, where a dev goes the extra mile and does some incredible things. However you will probably get just as many where devs simply whack a downsample on it and call it a day.
It's gonna be an interesting year!
wesleyshark
Banned
Yep. I'm sticking with a 1080p TV and I'm buying Scorpio day 1.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I'm fine with this too.
I've always said I'd rather last gens best graphics at 1080/60 with full AA and all the bells and whistles.
After playing Dirt 3 on my Alienware last night, I believe that more than ever. But obviously todays visuals at all of the above would be great.
I've always said I'd rather last gens best graphics at 1080/60 with full AA and all the bells and whistles.
After playing Dirt 3 on my Alienware last night, I believe that more than ever. But obviously todays visuals at all of the above would be great.
DrowsyJungle
Member
If they can emulate 360 with a 1.7ghz jaguar then I'm pretty sure they'd be able to run XB1 games with a better x86 processor.
It's important to mention that checkerboard rendering is enabled by the presence of ID Buffer module that Sony specifically asked AMD to include on the APU.
Who knows if MS will have it. If they don't now is already to late to add it.
This is quite an interesting statement or state of affairs. From the various PS4P threads most seem more impressed by the improvements in IQ which is brought about by the sheer increase in rendering resolution, benefiting both 4ktv and 1080p owners, Case in point ROTTR. Most seem to choose the 4k mode or the high framerate instead of the high effects mode. So I am not exactly sure what the issue is here. These consoles (Scorpio and PS4P) are designed basically to take the current gen games and render them at or near 4k res using different means.
MS has made it clear that developers are free to use the consoles resources as they see fit. In time we will get to see what the developers favor more; high fidelity, high res, high framerate or a mixture.
MS has made it clear that developers are free to use the consoles resources as they see fit. In time we will get to see what the developers favor more; high fidelity, high res, high framerate or a mixture.
potatohead
Member
MisterXDTV
Member
It's too late now to change the message.
Microsoft put a 4K writing on the chip render! If games don't reach "TRUE" 4K now (native) it will be a marketing failure no matter what.
Microsoft has told gamers to wait a year for Scorpio just for this, in comparison to PS4 Pro
If they won't keep that promise the machine is doomed as it will be more expensive than PS4 Pro no matter what
Microsoft put a 4K writing on the chip render! If games don't reach "TRUE" 4K now (native) it will be a marketing failure no matter what.
Microsoft has told gamers to wait a year for Scorpio just for this, in comparison to PS4 Pro
If they won't keep that promise the machine is doomed as it will be more expensive than PS4 Pro no matter what
DarkestHour
Banned
These are my feelings as well with Scorpio and PS4 Pro. I do not understand the push to 4K when games at 1080p are lacking detail and still cannot run at 60 FPS. If they leveraged the power for 1080p we would have some absolutely beautiful console games coming out.
potatohead
Member
Nobody in the real world is going to give a shit if they don't do 4K gaming for all their first party stuff or whatever.
That's the bonus of advertising something a year in advance, no one remembers.
At least ms aren't forcing devs to do 4k. And why not both? 1080p higher graphical fidelity or xb1 graphics 4k. Best of both worlds.
Only way I'll upgrade to scorpio is if it has huge graphical differences. I can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p so yeah I doubt 4k is much different for me.
Only way I'll upgrade to scorpio is if it has huge graphical differences. I can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p so yeah I doubt 4k is much different for me.
They don't have to use Sony's method in order to enable checkerboard rendering. R6 already used it before the advent of PS4P. Besides, there are, and will be, other method of reconstruction developers can use apart from CBR. Case in point; R&C and its use of Temporal injection, which I have to say, achieves the same objective without the CBR artifacts.
fastballspecial
Member
Yep. He's totally right. 1080p games still look damn good and with a lot more power you can do so much crazy shit with framerate, effects, AI, among other things.
I just bought a PS4 Pro for my 1080p TV. The games that support it with super/down sampling are so crisp and clear.
I just bought a PS4 Pro for my 1080p TV. The games that support it with super/down sampling are so crisp and clear.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
They made "new" news out of a tweet from like 6 months ago?
Just in time I guess.
Just in time I guess.
MisterXDTV
Member
Maybe they won't remember, but at the same time MS would have to explain why they waited a year for something that is basically a more expensive PS4 Pro with the magic number: 6 TF!!!
The best thing is that devs can choose what to do. If they want to hit 1080 then fine. If they want to try and hit something higher then that's fine too.
While a lot of games might get native 4k, I think a lot more are going to go for sub native for obvious reasons. Even the PS4 at 1.84 tf doesn't get all 1080 native games. No way in hell that 4.2 or 6.0tf is going to get all Native 4k.
As I've said before, 900p on a 1080 screen if far more noticable than 1800 on a 2160 screen purely because of the pixel density. Game are going to look mad on Pro and Scorpio.
I'm not even expecting native 4k on all games for PS5/Xbone-2
While a lot of games might get native 4k, I think a lot more are going to go for sub native for obvious reasons. Even the PS4 at 1.84 tf doesn't get all 1080 native games. No way in hell that 4.2 or 6.0tf is going to get all Native 4k.
As I've said before, 900p on a 1080 screen if far more noticable than 1800 on a 2160 screen purely because of the pixel density. Game are going to look mad on Pro and Scorpio.
I'm not even expecting native 4k on all games for PS5/Xbone-2
They can't just randomly emulate any old 360 game without alot of work though. I mean they can put any game on backwards compat but it's not just a case of putting any 360 game in the disc drive and playing it. It requires a certain amount of engineering to get it working. No way are they going to launch a Scorpio box which requires all original Xbox 1 games to be patched to even run on the damn thing.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Good thing for him he won't be forced to make games in 4K since devs are free to use that processing power how they see fit.