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DOTA 2 |OT6| Plz vote for Keeper of the Light Arcana
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Cyborgmatt
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isrushing deso like the cool new thing
i keep seeing it
where did it come from
It's not a new thing but it's most likely because of: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2bhlxr/slahsers_way_furion/
Calm down, it's not even 6 month since the last hero release, they need more time.
Well I started offlaning precisely because I realized most pubs couldn't be trusted with it and that is where we often lost games early on.
In other news, I see swindlemelonzz has made it into the 6k mmr bracket. I guess the road to ti5 starts now for sG, will be cool to see Chessie again.
In other news, I see swindlemelonzz has made it into the 6k mmr bracket. I guess the road to ti5 starts now for sG, will be cool to see Chessie again.
I started playing this game. I want to keep playing but I feel like I'm never going to be even decent unless I memorize the item recipes and all the heros and their stats and special abilities, which would take forever. And at that point I could actually think about some team strategies. I think having this many heroes is bad game design.
Anyways, what should I do to get better within reason? I've been in the limited heros noob section for 15 games and I'm still getting mauled.
Anyways, what should I do to get better within reason? I've been in the limited heros noob section for 15 games and I'm still getting mauled.
There's a reason the game has existed for more than a decade and is still going strong.
As for improving, it'd probably be good to pick out a few heroes you think are cool and just play them mostly. There are some good beginner video series out there I'll edit some in later. There aren't any real shortcuts though the game takes a long time to really feel a little competent at probably at least a few months.
Just keep playing the game. Try and play every hero at least once. Learning what everything does and what items to buy just comes with practice.
Also you don't need to memorize all that stuff to be decent, it helps but its not the most important thing.
I would prefer it if there was more heroes personally. Sure its a lot to take in at first but I know every hero well by now and would like more.
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck
Also you don't need to memorize all that stuff to be decent, it helps but its not the most important thing.
I would prefer it if there was more heroes personally. Sure its a lot to take in at first but I know every hero well by now and would like more.
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck
call_kotaku
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ember spirit is so fun, it's like storm spirit but easier and you're guaranteed to kill someone before level 6
I read somewhere that these are Storm Spirit and Oracle/Enigma concepts from years ago
Watch streams/Tournaments/Youtube tutorials of pros playing heroes you like. Purge and Merlini can help with this
But mostly just play the game. Its the only way to really improve. Everyone will tell you that this is a game thats hard to learn impossible to master. Im 2000+ games in and i still suck
What about it makes it hard to learn other than the large amount of items and heores?
Learning how and when to adjust your item builds to suit the current game
Learning when to push and be aggressive and when to back off
Positioning in fights depending on the hero you're playing
How and when to rotate to other lanes to gank
And so on
Some things are very unintuitive, due to how they were developed. For instance, if you hit neutral creeps at a certain time and run away then more creeps spawn in that camp, meaning there are twice as many creeps there. This isn't the kind of thing that just occurs to you looking at a camp, but it is how it works. There are plenty of these kind of things, mostly down to them originally being bugs and simply being kept in by Icefrog as they added depth.
How and when to harass.
How to keep the lane closer to you at all times.
How to pull your creeps into the jungle closest to your tier one towers to help your carry not get shit on.
How to gank.
Buying items to help out your team (wards, courier, flying courier, smoke, etc.)
I'm not sure anyone can really list it all though. There's just so much to learn, that it kinda makes people not want to keep trying. The thing is though, with enough playtime, this all comes naturally. It's a huge commitment though, so be prepared to play hundreds of hours to really get a grasp on things. I myself have easily over 3k hours on Dota 2, and I can't see myself stop any time soon. The game is that fun.
Prophet Steve
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To help with the items:
Just pick the next item you are going to buy from the recommended list. Use a player guide to if you know how to turn those on, they have some good comments sometimes. You drag the item to the quick buy box in the bottom right. You'll easily can buy the components through that way and you even get a handy icon whether you have to buy it in a secret shop or not. You don't really need to memorize the items right now.
As for the heroes. I don't remember how that went for me. I never felt that to be too troubling for me. It just comes with time.
Besides that, there are a huge amount of things to learn about DOTA, mechanically too. There are all kinds of small mechanics that you can use to get better, but really are not useful when you are starting out and then you have all kinds of abilities that have weird interactions with each other.
For example one of those mechanics is creeps stacking. Now this is something you probably should not care about now. But on every minute, all the neutral camps will repopulate when empty. So if you aggro a neutral camp out of their spawn area on the spawn time, it will spawn another one and you can get farm double as much. Or three times, or four times. Or multiple camps at once. And then you need to decide when it is worth it to take the time for that.
This is one of the bigger mechanics to grasp, but there is a lot more.
EDIT: Making a difference between learning and mastering here. Learning DOTA already takes a long time. Actually mastering all the mechanics that you learn is an entirely different beast.
Learning the heroes isn't the hard part, that's just the rules of the game; that's never the hard part of any deep game. The hard part is learning the implications of those rules to arbitrary circumstances that arise in the game.
isrushing deso like the cool new thing
i keep seeing it
where did it come from
Probably from this video.
isrushing deso like the cool new thing
i keep seeing it
where did it come from
When playing
Wok
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An IRL discussion with a couple of colleagues a few days back reminded me; One that's second nature to all (most?) of us but objectively unintuitive to someone thrown into the deep end of the pool is the laning phase and NOT auto-attacking (regardless of the immediately obvious fact that last hitting nets you gold). In pretty much every game, you'd want to hit enemies. Because, well, they're enemies, right? And the faster they die, the better.
Of course, in in DOTA that just means pushing the lane to the enemy tower, leaving you more open to ganks and the enemy less so.
That's barely scratching the surface of the intricacies that the whole game flow evolved around over the course of more than a decade now.
Yeah, I actually had a friend start playing two weeks ago and when we got to lane I told him not to hit the creeps and it took like 10 minutes for me to explain why he shouldn't. He just couldn't get his head around it.
Defense Grid dude I believe
I've had to walk people through the process of unchecking auto-attack and/or finding the stop key. Sometimes people are very unresponsive to this advice but I always try to be kind.
hmmn.. not this.
I think it was from Draskyl's stream. Sounded like Megatron or something.
Agreed! I tend to have the most fun in the offlane.
go trough the tutorial, then go play some bot matches with the heroes you are most comfortable with to learn more about the hero, the items and the game. also watch some beginners videos with the basics of the game. don't go to pubs just to feed, since you're gonna be hurting your team, getting frustrated and learning very little.
Manus
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Maybe the Nature's Prophet one?
SteveWinwood
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Pureauthor
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Wonder where iceiceice and Mushi will end up
Thought so too, but apparently she's playing the Lina.
shira
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Haha, even Sing thought PotM was Sheever. It's an honest mistake I guess.