Blackleg-sanji1
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Y'all nd these ratings...everything dropped But something else dropped bigger!
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But SSJ3 blows
17 is the most likely character to catch up to Goku, not counting saiyans. Maybe Piccolo with his potential Namekian God power, or Buu's potential could argue that, but 17 is more likely to get to that level than any human, and I'd argue more likely than Piccolo as well.
I wonder if fighting creatures from other planets is a norm for 17, or if this is one of his first times.
I wonder if fighting creatures from other planets is a norm for 17, or if this is one of his first times.
Blackleg-sanji1
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You were about to get a 250 word rant until I reread the bolded lmao
Sanji killed the ratings.
shadowsdarknes
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So is it more likely that Zamasu decided to steal Goku's body because of:
A) He's the strongest mortal being he ever witnessed
B) Goku can tap into God Ki and thus he knew that stealing Goku's body would be particularly fruitful for a Kai (in training)
A) He's the strongest mortal being he ever witnessed
B) Goku can tap into God Ki and thus he knew that stealing Goku's body would be particularly fruitful for a Kai (in training)
ArchedThunder
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The point is that pretty much everything dropped, which means fewer people in total were watching anime that day, so something else was probably going on. Dragon Ball Super is One Piece's lead in show, so Super dropping less than One Piece means it did better at holding on to people during what ever was going on.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Wait a min.. did u start one piece finally 🙏
One piece could be on filler and it would still would be in an underserved place I don't see why ppl pay them any mind there's been plenty of times a Dbs episode should've been higher but never topped it
AwakenedCloud
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It's not impossible, they just didn't provide a good reason. There was zero substance to why he got as strong as he did. I'm okay with it because I don't take Super seriously, but in an ideal world there would've been a build up to him getting so strong. Wildlife preservation doesn't really cut it.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
This tells me Japans tastes are terrible. Dbs has shat on anything released last year this year. And one piece was on dressrosa the longest most divided arc ever where half of the crew weren't even there
Exactly. I haven't heard not a single argument that made any sense about a gentically engineered saiyan buster couldn't keep pace with a saiyans potential.
Oh I agree they didn't do a good job "selling it", but of all people, 17 was perfectly fit to match SSB. It's all I'm saying. People are acting like 17 was some Yamcha tier character.
The ratings for this arc have been extremely low by comparison. One Piece sometimes manages to pull in high numbers, but on average, it seems to be heading towards an inevitable slop.
The difference between One Piece and DBS is shorter each year. Sadly it's not because DBS does better but because One Piece does worse.
Still, they're both far ahead from any other "shonen".
RareFantasy64
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Chiaotzu. He has been in Super during group shots like parties. He will most likely be seen in the episode(s) covering Goku approaching Tien about being in the universe tournament team
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
They'll both be fine at the end of the day both do big numbers and as you said far ahead of other shonen. Where's Mha rank
Baleoce
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Yeah nobody minds characters being relevant and challenging the Saiyans in raw power, in fact most people want that, as it's healthier for the show. But as always, you have to provide context for these things as it makes it more enjoyable for the viewer. And it gets to the heart of what the show is.
My interpretation of the androids in the DBZ universe were that they couldn't train/power-up. That may be wrong, but that was how I felt. Not to mention if they were that capable then why would Gero even bother with Cell?
ArchedThunder
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The most important part is that they are bringing in dat merch money. Dragon Ball has seen insane growth over the past few years in that and One Piece has balanced out a a high point if I remember correctly.
DVR ratings aren't released anymore for some reason, but both would have great DVR rankings when they were, a lot of people just record shows and watch them when they want.
I also wonder if One Piece and Dragon Ball are on an streaming services in Japan.
He really hated Goku. He left nothing to chance.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Plus on top of that the one thing one piece will never unfortunately have that db has an abundance of is worldwide support. One piece mainly has Japan to carry it while db has the world mighty impressive even after all these years. Love both tho they should do another collab soon with how much he happened between the two since the last
The author literally said they could train and get more powerful, because their enhancements are organic and not mechanical. So your assumption was wrong.
As for Cell, do I have to remind you Gero considered 17 and 18 to be failures because he couldn't control them.
Don't forget it's also his computer that ended up making Cell.
Also this is dumb. Cell's power was relative to 17's.
Perfect Cell is shit because 17 was shit. Simple. If Cell absorbed the current 17, he'd even more powerful.
Remember Cell was a lot weaker than 17 and had to absorb millions of people to surpass him anyway.
Not only that, but most people think that these are "sunday's ratings" and not "whole week's ratings".
When both One Piece and DBS have shit ratings with a very slow difference between the two (0.9); you can 100% it was a slower sunday.
ArchedThunder
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I want them to wait on Super to age up some characters before doing another cross over.
Also I started One Piece, I'm on episode 47.
shadowsdarknes
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Revenge is a great motivator.
Frieza trained in tough conditions with the motivation to kill Goku and found a new transformation. Frieza got ridiculously strong, but it was at a major cost.
17 may have trained for a long time, but it still seems off.
Regardless, SSB is the primary transformation now for 4 arcs now. We are due for a new level.
I just really dislike character development that comes out of left field. If there was anything that provided some foreshadowing, it would have been kinda cool.
Frieza trained in tough conditions with the motivation to kill Goku and found a new transformation. Frieza got ridiculously strong, but it was at a major cost.
17 may have trained for a long time, but it still seems off.
Regardless, SSB is the primary transformation now for 4 arcs now. We are due for a new level.
I just really dislike character development that comes out of left field. If there was anything that provided some foreshadowing, it would have been kinda cool.
ArchedThunder
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17 was proud of his power in the androids arc and then was humiliated by Cell, him wanting to get stronger over these 13 years seems like pretty normal character development to me.
17 often said he was the ultimate being.
You all thought he was cocky, but turns out it was foreshadowing
.They were designed with the potential to get stronger, Gero saw the flaws in 17 after he was created, which is why he put limits on 18, but it's not like he was going to spend more time redesigning 17. When he thought 17 would never betray him, he did intend for 17 to get stronger, that was probably the main reason he worked on humans.
With Cell, the androids were viewed as disobedient, and Cell was viewed as a creation that would never disobey Gero's legacy. And theoretically, if the androids get stronger, Cell should get stronger.
You've got quite the journey ahead of you
BlazinSkatinAxel
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That makes sense since Goku's body isn't Kaioshin.
ArchedThunder
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My plan was to go with the manga, but money is tight for me right now so I'm just going with the anime on Crunchyroll.
Romars202129
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I got a question.
When 17 was brought back on the dragonballs, wanst he brought back where he was killed, in the otherworld where cell exploded?
When 17 was brought back on the dragonballs, wanst he brought back where he was killed, in the otherworld where cell exploded?
ArchedThunder
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Crunchyroll has a bit of manga, no One Piece though.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Host Samurai
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I wonder if it's in Cells DNA if he can absorb Super 17
It doesn't look that bad TBH. Though I think it would be cool if maybe he had like Blue accents.
Resurrection of C?
Cell Games Part Two?
Dragon Ball Super: PERFECTION OF C.
Damn. That's why you show more Krillin. Dude's episode had third-highest ratings.
Ratings are usually pretty random unless it's special like the first episode or start of Future Trunks arc. At best, I guess it could be seen as #17 not really having a lot of power to draw in more people to watch than normal.
Yeah, he took everyone's ratings with his appearance
You know, 17's jump in power was kind of baffling to me, until Seth pointed out that 17 could have literally trained the entire decade literally without stopping because of his endless energy. So, his power jump, while big, isn't the worse in the series. I still put Goku's power jumped in the Namek/Frieza Saga over him along with Piccolo's jump between the Frieza and Android Saga (mostly because the power jump was higher than him fusing with Piccolo).
And the amount of salt over the boost, made it worth it.
It doesn't. Old Kai merged with a Old Witch he wasn't a Supreme Kai and that was forever. Not to mention the Time Rings can only be used by a Supreme Kai, yet Black had no problem using them.
Icyflamez96
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Frieza's boost was crazier too.
To be fair, Androind 17 was stronger than Freeza without training, so it makes sense that he'd be as strong as Golden Freeza was after training for longer than like, what, summer vacation?
Hope you enjoy. It's one of my favorite shows next to Dragon Ball. It has a lot of homages to it, specifically the original Dragon Ball. I should warn you, Skypei is kind of a drag.
He blew himself up again, and Tien is too embarrassed to tell anyone.
Host Samurai
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Whats the point when hes got Majin Buu?
Frieza won't even fuck with him. If Buu trained he would be a GoD in no time. His base was SSJ3 level compared to Frieza's natural base without training
I am personally okay with Frieza's boost since he was born that strong without doing anything, unlike everyone else who trained, fused, or the androids who technically cheated. My only real problem with Frieza is the time and even then, it evens out since Frieza rushing his training bit him in the ass.
Host Samurai
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I like his boost too. Salvages his character a bit.
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