Messofanego
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Here are some of the GAF reactions to Drawn To Death when it was live that he could have used, tried to find the negative ones:
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Drawn to Death #GOF**KYOURSELF (David Jaffe's response to giantbomb/polygon comments)
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Here are some of the GAF reactions to Drawn To Death when it was live that he could have used, tried to find the negative ones:
Actually previews/comments from the floor have been great for this, I heard few people here posting it was one of the games of the show for them after playing it.
The Xtortionist
Member
Yeah, I've yet to read a negative impression from anyone who's played it.
Insane Metal
Member
I think it looks like crap. Doesn't seem fun at all and the art is ridiculous.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
I do not get why everyone hates him.
Could some one elaborate?
Could some one elaborate?
Air Zombie Meat
Member
A lot of posts in this thread are more juvenile than Jaffes video. Just sayin'
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Haha I love it.
Always-honest
Banned
Meh, pretty funny imo.
Orniletter
Banned
Well, excuse me... I guess. The end result is more or less the same.
Acquiescence
Member
Out of interest, is Drawn to Death going to be a download-only title, or is Sony treating it as a full retail release?
Dr Amazon MD
Member
Oh we get it, you just changed the words to better fit your motive. It's cool.
thekiddfran
Member
Good on Jaffe, the game looks interesting. If is refreshing to see a new art style instead of the Ultra realistic graphics of today
I guess it is going to be DL Only
theusedversion
Member
Faux hate. You're not cool on the internet unless you're slinging some hate around or bitching at something.
Zabant
Member
There's a trend going on recently of getting massively offended by the slightest thing.
Jaffe is real as it gets, dude isn't PC and speaks his mind, it gets people really upset. Kinda expected from the guy that made God of War and Twisted Metal.
Nobody cared about his antics back in the 00's it was a '*slaps knee* oh gee, that crazy Jaffe' but now getting up on stage and swearing like a sailor causes people to lose their fucking minds.
The game is clearly not going to have an E for Everyone rating, and from looking at the game it doesn't seem to be very in depth on detailed gory violence; it's highly stylized. I consider myself to have social awareness and I don't see what makes the game problematic. In what way are you coming to this conclusion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOFwCLji3VU
EDIT: I didn't realize that this was on page 2, I just hit the wrong page by mistake, didn't realize and was scrolling down, my bad, but still!
thewhitehawk
Member
I'm not particularly drawn to the game (pun intended) in any way but within the context of the video, a punk video-game character reading offending things about his world it doesn't feel all that inadequate.
Sure, if you boil it down to the bare minimum facts, David Jaffe posted a video with a hashtag telling people who commented negatively about his game to go fuck themselves. If that's the only things you need/want to consider, then that's fine.
While I understand Jaffe has a history of being very candid and sometimes rude with others, I think that he's a passionate game developer whose opinions get overblown more often than not because it's a slow news day and criticising him is easy work for a few thousand pageviews.
When he confronted Kotaku's Totilo over an article that implied he was a misogynist he was very eloquent, noticeably upset, but eloquent and defended himself rather well in my opinion. I think the internet paints a far worse picture of David than he actually is, he doesn't seem like a bad person but is often driven to a point where it seems he has to act like one because of some of his work.
Noted: I don't care about God of War, I only played one of them on the PSP (I don't think he was involved in it), I've never played Twisted Metal, only seen a few videos of it. I don't have a vested interest or any relationship with Jaffe, but I think the criticism applied to Jaffe is a clear example of why this industry still needs to mature. The film industry doesn't apologise when the new horror flick comes out and some woman is cut up in pieces, tortured or raped but if a videogame comes anywhere close to doing either of those things the industry acts like the person who allowed that to exist is some kind of Hitler that hates all women. A games site is very quick to point out when boobs are too big, or a woman is raped in God of War but they conveniently forget to mention that in that game you are playing an unscrupulous villain who tears his victims to pieces and destroys any and everything that comes near him. Context is important. The only reason that criticism sticks with Jaffe so much is that he actually replies to those comments and I find it wrong that it's completely acceptable to "villainize" someone and accuse them of horrible things but if they reply in any tone other than: cold, perfectly polite, humble and apologetic, they are basically satan.
I'm sorry but I'm not jumping on this bandwaggon. I pity those who do.
Sure, if you boil it down to the bare minimum facts, David Jaffe posted a video with a hashtag telling people who commented negatively about his game to go fuck themselves. If that's the only things you need/want to consider, then that's fine.
While I understand Jaffe has a history of being very candid and sometimes rude with others, I think that he's a passionate game developer whose opinions get overblown more often than not because it's a slow news day and criticising him is easy work for a few thousand pageviews.
When he confronted Kotaku's Totilo over an article that implied he was a misogynist he was very eloquent, noticeably upset, but eloquent and defended himself rather well in my opinion. I think the internet paints a far worse picture of David than he actually is, he doesn't seem like a bad person but is often driven to a point where it seems he has to act like one because of some of his work.
Noted: I don't care about God of War, I only played one of them on the PSP (I don't think he was involved in it), I've never played Twisted Metal, only seen a few videos of it. I don't have a vested interest or any relationship with Jaffe, but I think the criticism applied to Jaffe is a clear example of why this industry still needs to mature. The film industry doesn't apologise when the new horror flick comes out and some woman is cut up in pieces, tortured or raped but if a videogame comes anywhere close to doing either of those things the industry acts like the person who allowed that to exist is some kind of Hitler that hates all women. A games site is very quick to point out when boobs are too big, or a woman is raped in God of War but they conveniently forget to mention that in that game you are playing an unscrupulous villain who tears his victims to pieces and destroys any and everything that comes near him. Context is important. The only reason that criticism sticks with Jaffe so much is that he actually replies to those comments and I find it wrong that it's completely acceptable to "villainize" someone and accuse them of horrible things but if they reply in any tone other than: cold, perfectly polite, humble and apologetic, they are basically satan.
I'm sorry but I'm not jumping on this bandwaggon. I pity those who do.
The Xtortionist
Member
The player count is fine. Ask anyone who's played it
Zabant
Member
And your point is?
People are allowed to create any kind of media they like and companies like Sony are within their rights to back them
Do you take issues with The Catcher in the Rye?
Of course not, so why take issues with this?
Ridiculous statement.
old manatee
Banned
Were you ever a teenager? Or did you just go right from infant to nanny.
funkystudent
Member
Didn't kiss the ring of the indie/media cabal.
Go fuck yourself seems appropriate.
That's sarcasm, right?
They were negative or apathetic to almost every game on the VGAs and at PSX. It was actually tiring to listen to.
Stone Ocean
Member
It's a teenager drawing weird shit in class, how many people did this as kids? This isn't a matter of "social awareness" it's about finding the next molehill to call Mount Politically Correct.
A kid drawing demonic beings killing each other by putting gasoline in the mouth of dragons? Someone call FOX news.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
The king of controversy is back!!!!
I really don't get why some of these commenters would judge a game based on it being 4 players or the art style, it seems very closed minded. I also think the response is somewhat disproportionate, which leads me to think it is created for marketing purposes.
I really don't get why some of these commenters would judge a game based on it being 4 players or the art style, it seems very closed minded. I also think the response is somewhat disproportionate, which leads me to think it is created for marketing purposes.
cr_blah_blah
Member
I know this thread has taken a life of its own but people responding do realize the video is actually taking aim at the comments section of Polygon and Giant Bomb and not Polygon/Giant Bomb actual employee comments, correct? Because it takes a special kind of person to transform Jaffe making fun of the gaming community comments into full-blown hate to the literal sites the comments happen to be hosted on.
The video is 55 seconds. 55 seconds.
The video is 55 seconds. 55 seconds.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Typical Jaffe, unfortunately.
Yes, people are being superficial. There's a billion games out there, and his attempt to look different might not have worked with most of the public. How about showing what the game has to offer (assuming it has more to offer than the art style)?
Oh, yeah, it's easier to tell everyone to fuck themselves. That will teach them.
Yes, people are being superficial. There's a billion games out there, and his attempt to look different might not have worked with most of the public. How about showing what the game has to offer (assuming it has more to offer than the art style)?
Oh, yeah, it's easier to tell everyone to fuck themselves. That will teach them.
Haunted
Member
The only controversy is that some people actually thought it looked good.
I mean, I like Jaffe both as a game designer and as a person, but seriously, wtf. Game looks garbage.
Now, come on. Projecting one person's [lack of] intelligence and knowledge about real life matters on his coworkers' knowledge about videogames is a real stretch.
I feel like it's the art style that has made the bad impression. Everything IS very notebook esque, but right now that means it's kind of a undefined visual mess. The artistic challenge of staying true to that artistic concept, while delivering something visually appeal and readable in motion is no small feat.
Orniletter
Banned
Yeah, it is far more likely that I tried to put words into Jaffe´s mouth than making an honest mistakes.
I mean, it´s not like everybody else could easily see for him and herself that thats not what was said in the video. I literally believed that I could fool you all to win an argument on the internet.
Gosh.
Haunted
Member
It's not like this paper/sketch style hasn't been done before or anything.
They just did a poor job of it. The environments look bad, the people look bad, the animations are bad, the effects are weak and it doesn't look like it controls or plays all that well. Just overall a very poor showing.
edit: I mean, if their point is that teenagers can't really draw for shit, I suppose they nailed it... but that just makes me not to want to look at it or play it either way. :lol
The Xtortionist
Member
Drawn to Death is one of the most readable games I've ever played. The environment is white and player-relevant objects such as enemies and pick ups are colored. At a quick glance, you can instantly tell where every important object is located on the screen.
The art style looked unappealing to me in the trailer but I came around it pretty quickly after seeing it in person at 60fps. Also, the game is currently pre-alpha with multiple missing effects (this was evident from playing the demo). Give it some time.
That's interesting. Can you post some good examples of the paper sketch style?
Fair enough, good to hear.
Fair enough, good to hear.
Zabant
Member
You played it?
Every single impression from the show floor I read have said it handles well.
The Xtortionist
Member
I can attest to that.
My impressions were very positive and I've seek other Gaffers call it one of their favorites at the show. Haven't read a single negative impression either. To be honest, defending it is getting a bit tiring. If I was Jaffe, I'd probably be a bit annoyed too. The game has mad potential and is even really fun as a content-light pre-alpha build. Not sure what else to say.