DoubleTake
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Ive honestly never seen a forum thats been able to find out and uncover so much in such a small amount of time..Tbh DetectiveGaf scares me lol
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EA Too!: Be extra nice and EA will pay you (participants may not disclose details)
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Ive honestly never seen a forum thats been able to find out and uncover so much in such a small amount of time..Tbh DetectiveGaf scares me lol
I know the truth scares... Let's face it and find how a joke game journalism is.
Otakumegane
Member
I actually expect this.
maniac-kun
Member
Lesson learned: never trust anybody on youtube.
jakonovski
Member
This explains so much. I was wondering why there were arbitrary BF4 videos appearing with stilted commentary last year.
CodiesLoore
Member
Can categorically say that we (Codemasters) have never done anything like this, we may send copies of games to YouTube people should they ask (as we do with any media outlet really) but that's about as far as it goes.
I hate how no "journalist" is willing to simply challenge them directly with that stipulation and ask for an explanation.
ShogunDarius
Member
that I believe is due to most 'Journalists' in this industry being nothing more than glorified news reporters.
Sad thing is I've seen my local news reporters do more investigative reporting than this. I guess this is what happens when the website you work for will likely go under if a company like EA or MS stops supporting you.
You don't say.
I've assumed this for like...the last decade? I don't follow gaming media at all for this exact reason.
Ban Puncher
Member
here is why: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/129966/pr_and_the_game_media_how_pr_.php?print=1
I think the only answer is to never ever buy a full priced game, especially one from MS and/or ea.
ultratruman
Banned
Does 'matters relating to the agreement' include the existence of the agreement itself? I don't think so.
First of all, is this really a surprise ? I can't help but to laugh at the shocked comments. We all know this stuff takes place and it probably takes place on a much bigger scale than this. Gaming review sites, the ones who shape everyone's opinions days before a game comes out. Probably the biggest offenders.
The biggest revelation with all of the "we pay you to be positive", is that company's know they can shape the way people think about a certain game before it's even released, or change the way people think about a certain product by infiltrating their very source of information. Well, non hardcore gamers anyway.. When a company like Ea puts out something, gamers are automatically skeptical and for good reason. They have earned that shady title for years of being shady to their customers.
This latest news goes to show that you can't fool people for long now that people can go straight to the net with news. Ea has earned a reputation for being the way they are for a reason. No amount of paying or persuading will reverse that. It will help with uninformed people, but making good games and being honest is the only way to repair their damaged reputation . And with the latest stuff from Ea, that reputation has just sunk in deeper.
This is the part people will hate.
A part of me can understand why Microsoft/Ea would do this. Making games/hardware is a huge risk, and a bad outlook on your product (deserving or not)can be very damaging in this day and age. Microsoft for example has a pretty bad reputation on the internet for forcing drm, forcing kinect ect. Does it deserve the backlash it's gotten after reversing those things ? I would say no, but that's just my opinion. Yes, they tried to force drm, kinect, but in the end they reversed those things and launched with a system that shared their vision and gamers visions.
So paying people to say positive things is their quick fix for repairing that damaged reputation. If people are watching youtube videos hearing things like "this system is great, no drm, no forced kinect ect, that will help reverse peoples negative outlook on the system. Not saying i agree with it, just that i can see why you would want to do something like this as a company who is in great danger of losing money due to a somewhat unfair outlook on their product.
Same kinda goes for Ea, is it fair that every game they produce brings skepticism ? In my opinion, In a way yes, but in a way no. They've earned that title, but in order to continue to pour money in to AAA games, they need to at least try to repair that reputation and have confidence they will make a profit. Again, i don't agree with paying people, it's slimy, filthy and many other words, but i can see why, from a company standpoint, they would do something like this.
In a lot of ways, the internet can be unfair with gaming. People pass judgement on games before they even play them, and many times, deem them failures before they even release. That can be really unfair for a company releasing a multimillion dollar game. The nature of the internet is to jump on to whatever is seen as "Good" or "Bad", most people don't even know why they do it, but a lot of people do because it's what everyone else is doing. It can be very damaging at times. I've seen it happen with so many gaming related things over the years. And it destroyed the outlook on that particular subject simply because it caught on.
Again, not saying i agree with paying for positive comments, just that i can see why a company would want to do stuff like this because of the potential disaster their product might unfairly face. In a way, they might see it as "fighting back" against unfair judgement.
The biggest revelation with all of the "we pay you to be positive", is that company's know they can shape the way people think about a certain game before it's even released, or change the way people think about a certain product by infiltrating their very source of information. Well, non hardcore gamers anyway.. When a company like Ea puts out something, gamers are automatically skeptical and for good reason. They have earned that shady title for years of being shady to their customers.
This latest news goes to show that you can't fool people for long now that people can go straight to the net with news. Ea has earned a reputation for being the way they are for a reason. No amount of paying or persuading will reverse that. It will help with uninformed people, but making good games and being honest is the only way to repair their damaged reputation . And with the latest stuff from Ea, that reputation has just sunk in deeper.
This is the part people will hate.
A part of me can understand why Microsoft/Ea would do this. Making games/hardware is a huge risk, and a bad outlook on your product (deserving or not)can be very damaging in this day and age. Microsoft for example has a pretty bad reputation on the internet for forcing drm, forcing kinect ect. Does it deserve the backlash it's gotten after reversing those things ? I would say no, but that's just my opinion. Yes, they tried to force drm, kinect, but in the end they reversed those things and launched with a system that shared their vision and gamers visions.
So paying people to say positive things is their quick fix for repairing that damaged reputation. If people are watching youtube videos hearing things like "this system is great, no drm, no forced kinect ect, that will help reverse peoples negative outlook on the system. Not saying i agree with it, just that i can see why you would want to do something like this as a company who is in great danger of losing money due to a somewhat unfair outlook on their product.
Same kinda goes for Ea, is it fair that every game they produce brings skepticism ? In my opinion, In a way yes, but in a way no. They've earned that title, but in order to continue to pour money in to AAA games, they need to at least try to repair that reputation and have confidence they will make a profit. Again, i don't agree with paying people, it's slimy, filthy and many other words, but i can see why, from a company standpoint, they would do something like this.
In a lot of ways, the internet can be unfair with gaming. People pass judgement on games before they even play them, and many times, deem them failures before they even release. That can be really unfair for a company releasing a multimillion dollar game. The nature of the internet is to jump on to whatever is seen as "Good" or "Bad", most people don't even know why they do it, but a lot of people do because it's what everyone else is doing. It can be very damaging at times. I've seen it happen with so many gaming related things over the years. And it destroyed the outlook on that particular subject simply because it caught on.
Again, not saying i agree with paying for positive comments, just that i can see why a company would want to do stuff like this because of the potential disaster their product might unfairly face. In a way, they might see it as "fighting back" against unfair judgement.
The fuck is that?
BumblebeeCody
Member
How do you make Battlefield 4 look good?
TerryWogan
Member
$10 CPM with a 6 million views cap. Thems some serious monies. I could sit at home for a year if I hit the cap with one video.
No, but it's just something that reinforces what everyone already knows about Electronic Arts.
Hope they win that shittiest company award for the third time in a row. Towards a bright bankrupt future!
RedNumberFive
Banned
You're not too far off.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Don't show any glitches in Battlefield 4. That's quite a tall feat for anyone tackling that assignment.
no reason to think otherwise at this point.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Mmm nothing like a modern day payola scandal. If only it didn't take this long to come out.
First of all, it's telling people to stay quiet about being paid that's the issue here.
It's not just unethical, it's illegal.
What does that have to do with anything?
spookyfish
Member
This made my cynical ass chuckle!
Zeouterlimits
Member
Being 12.
These outlets can't call out these huge companies because they're scared they'll get blacklisted on review copies or interviews or whatever. It's bullshit, but that's most likely the reason. No one in this industry has any backbone for the consumers. Everyone's just a glorified PR mouthpiece.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Unprecedented Partnership. Personally, I wish these two would just go ahead and merge and stop trying to hide that they want the future to be on a Microsoft device with EA games.
Chobel
Member
So the only way they could repair their bad reputation is by making it even worse?
And as usual you're missing the entire fucking point, the biggest problem isn't that they're paying people to say positive stuff, the biggest problem is that they're telling
content creators do not say that you're getting paid for promotion, you know, deceiving people.
Neuromancer
Member
Disgusting. Well if any good comes out of this is that maybe going forward people will be a lot more critical of everything they see, watch and hear on the Internet. I know I will be.
enanogrande
Member
Don't worry, we hated your whole post. It's what happens when people miss the point.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
They had to play the game in a controlled environment. They didn't get to play it at home or the office. I'm sure the servers weren't as buggy. + we'll fix it in patch, believe us
Umm, Because that isn't the point? No one cares that people are being paid to promote products. The part that people aren't disclosing that they are being paid to promote a product( you know lying). Also its against FTC regulations.
enanogrande said:
lol
Chobel said:
Maybe this should be put in the op so people stop missing the point.
spookyfish
Member
Fixed for ya.
And no, it more than likely is not, according to already posted FTC guidelines.
HammerOfThor
Member
Has there been any comments from Youtube/media personalities?
Just like clockwork, another one appears after the last one is responded to.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I'm not big, I'm am medium-small channel (only 20,000 subscribers, I used to have 20,000,000 video views but I recently started a clean slate), but I have had offers, and as I said earlier:
We should contact/tweet the most prominent ones about this asking them to investigate. Let's see how they respond to that.
Lazlo Woodbine
Member
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=311tmt063hw
Thoughts?
My single problem with the revelations is the lack of disclosure about the program, rather then anything inherent to it per se.
I'd like to think that YT'ers like Frankie and JackFrags arn't money grabbing bellends, so I can give them a pass (if you felt that taken in by certain personalities then you're watching the wrong YT'ers). If anything it's the pubs like EA that squeeze copyright claims on YT and then set up monitization models like this on the side. If I felt like being hyperbolic then I might go so far as to compare it to racketeering but ehh, games blog headline etc.
Thoughts?
My single problem with the revelations is the lack of disclosure about the program, rather then anything inherent to it per se.
I'd like to think that YT'ers like Frankie and JackFrags arn't money grabbing bellends, so I can give them a pass (if you felt that taken in by certain personalities then you're watching the wrong YT'ers). If anything it's the pubs like EA that squeeze copyright claims on YT and then set up monitization models like this on the side. If I felt like being hyperbolic then I might go so far as to compare it to racketeering but ehh, games blog headline etc.
I like how he starts right off with talking about minorities and ill-formed conclusions. I really like it! It was so true during the ME3 debacle, and is doubly true now!!
SadRogerGoodell
Neo Member
So, how did someone review BF4 with them then?
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