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Edge #209 (Christmas) scores: Dragonage?
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Final fantasy XII got a 9/10,sorry. 
Still,I am sure jrpg have higher rating than wrpg on that site.
I'm ok with that,but they should come out clean and be consistent about it.
I know France has a huge bias toward japanese game in general and it's a cultural thing,so they rate both jrpg and game higher than most western product.I have no problem with that and they even say so.
Being from Quebec and seeing what's happening in France,they always were first on anime or manga from Japan and it goes back to the 70's(knew about Dragonball well before it arrived in the US).You will look at a videogame mag from France and will be convinced that it's from Japan. :lol
Still,I am sure jrpg have higher rating than wrpg on that site.
I'm ok with that,but they should come out clean and be consistent about it.
I know France has a huge bias toward japanese game in general and it's a cultural thing,so they rate both jrpg and game higher than most western product.I have no problem with that and they even say so.
Being from Quebec and seeing what's happening in France,they always were first on anime or manga from Japan and it goes back to the 70's(knew about Dragonball well before it arrived in the US).You will look at a videogame mag from France and will be convinced that it's from Japan. :lol
lorddarkflare
Banned
_tetsuo_ said:
Yes. I remember telling myself many times that DA's party is how ME's party should have been.
Wynne feels like she would fit in ME nicely(being dull and all).
-tetsuo-
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I think Wynne is good out of your conversations at camp. There's multiple times where she will flat out attack you for doing thing something she disagree's with. She's the most traditional cookie cutter character. Even still she's better than most of the crew from MAss Effect.
Kaiden and Garrus were boring, Liara wasn't much better, Ashley was a racist, Wrex was good and Tali was great.
Kaiden and Garrus were boring, Liara wasn't much better, Ashley was a racist, Wrex was good and Tali was great.
lorddarkflare
Banned
_tetsuo_ said:
Ashley being a racist flat out made her the best (still did not like her though). Wrex was okay and i love Tali, but she was not that well written.
And i agree about the others.
Here is what Edge think of recent jrpg:
Demon's soul: 9/10
Persona 4: 9/10
Final fantasy XII: 9/10
Dragonquest VIII: 8/10
Final fantasy X-2: 7/10
Lost odyssey: 7/10
Blue dragon: 6/10
Infinite undiscovery: 6/10
Star ocean 4: 5/10
The last remnant: 5/10
Can you imagine that the Witcher and Dragon Age are on par with awful jrpg. :lol Edge is giving you their opinions of western rpg loud and clear.
Last but not least:
Fable: 8/10
Fable 2: 9/10 :lol
They don't even take wrpg seriously....
Demon's soul: 9/10
Persona 4: 9/10
Final fantasy XII: 9/10
Dragonquest VIII: 8/10
Final fantasy X-2: 7/10
Lost odyssey: 7/10
Blue dragon: 6/10
Infinite undiscovery: 6/10
Star ocean 4: 5/10
The last remnant: 5/10
Can you imagine that the Witcher and Dragon Age are on par with awful jrpg. :lol Edge is giving you their opinions of western rpg loud and clear.
Last but not least:
Fable: 8/10
Fable 2: 9/10 :lol
They don't even take wrpg seriously....
"Hello, my name is Hideki Kamiya, and I'm 5 for mother fucking 5. I can't even make a bad game if my life dependent on it. I shit good games, and piss out good ideas. It comes natural."
gamerankings/metacritic
Resident Evil 2 (1998): 92.4%
Devil May Cry (2001): 92.43%
Viewtiful Joe (2003): 91.32%
Okami (2005): 92.42%
Bayonetta (2010): 40/40 famitsu, 10/10 edge, 9/10 eurogamer
Truly a god among man. I submit myself to his greatness.jabipun said:
"Hello, my name is Hideki Kamiya, and I'm 5 for mother fucking 5. I can't even make a bad game if my life dependent on it. I shit good games, and piss out good ideas. It comes natural."
gamerankings/metacritic
Resident Evil 2 (1998): 92.4%
Devil May Cry (2001): 92.43%
Viewtiful Joe (2003): 91.32%
Okami (2005): 92.42%
Bayonetta (2010): 40/40 famitsu, 10/10 edge, 9/10 eurogamer
nelsonroyale
Member
kitzkozan said:I know. :lol
Next great rpg are Fable 2,Demon's soul and Final fantasy XII is the best of them all so far,being 8 in the list of the 100 best videogame according the Edge.
Have you played ffxii? There are definetely a some things Dragon Age does better: immersion, cast and some of the writing...but many things FFXII does better: world design, art, music, hunts, epic nature, less cliche etc.
A 5 for dragon age is bizarre though. Its probably my second favourite game after U2 this year...There is a lot of cliche in there, but its immersive, you feel part of a quest. Unlike being an aimless vagrant, as in Oblivion
lorddarkflare
Banned
kitzkozan said:
Some of those(DS, XII, X-2, P4) are good games that deserve good scores, but some others are just awful!
Demon's Souls is the only one that should score higher than DA.
After that, SO4, IU, Fable 2 should all be in the negatives.
nelsonroyale said:
A man after my own heart. They both suck at pacing though.
jabipun said:
"Hello, my name is Hideki Kamiya, and I'm 5 for mother fucking 5. I can't even make a bad game if my life dependent on it. I shit good games, and piss out good ideas. It comes natural."
gamerankings/metacritic
Resident Evil 2 (1998): 92.4%
Devil May Cry (2001): 92.43%
Viewtiful Joe (2003): 91.32%
Okami (2005): 92.42%
Bayonetta (2010): 40/40 famitsu, 10/10 edge, 9/10 eurogamer
Kamiya is awesome. What is new here?
ME's entire sequence from Virmire to Ilos to the Citadel is pitch perfect, especially Ilos and the Citadel. It has a level of tightness that's really lacking in DA. But on the other hand, DA is about three times as long as ME. In terms of overall content, DA wins. The overall depth of the universe, the overall depth of the characters, better world building, less cookie-cutter sidequest bases, more lore, etc. ME's pacing, though, makes the endgame more memorable than DA's.
Plus DA's combat kind of sucks. :lol
Overall, I would say both of them are 8 or 9s. DA has maybe a SLIGHT edge based on game content, but not that much. 5 is ridiculous, even if you take it to mean "average". If only all those "average" games out there were as good as DA.
That said, I fully expect DA's sequel to improve on DA's combat (just like ME2's combat seems to be far more advanced than ME1), and for ME2 to improve on the dialogue and character aspect, as Bioware keeps stressing that they have, so.
Edit: I didn't enjoy Fable 2 nearly as much as DA, even though I liked it enough to play it twice. Personal taste, I suppose.
Plus DA's combat kind of sucks. :lol
Overall, I would say both of them are 8 or 9s. DA has maybe a SLIGHT edge based on game content, but not that much. 5 is ridiculous, even if you take it to mean "average". If only all those "average" games out there were as good as DA.
That said, I fully expect DA's sequel to improve on DA's combat (just like ME2's combat seems to be far more advanced than ME1), and for ME2 to improve on the dialogue and character aspect, as Bioware keeps stressing that they have, so.
Edit: I didn't enjoy Fable 2 nearly as much as DA, even though I liked it enough to play it twice. Personal taste, I suppose.
lorddarkflare
Banned
linzin said:
So did ME's.
D
Deleted member 30609
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you've got to admire the versatility.jabipun said:
lol QFT!!jabipun said:
"Hello, my name is Hideki Kamiya, and I'm 5 for mother fucking 5. I can't even make a bad game if my life dependent on it. I shit good games, and piss out good ideas. It comes natural."
gamerankings/metacritic
Resident Evil 2 (1998): 92.4%
Devil May Cry (2001): 92.43%
Viewtiful Joe (2003): 91.32%
Okami (2005): 92.42%
Bayonetta (2010): 40/40 famitsu, 10/10 edge, 9/10 eurogamer
Bayonetta raisin the bar! Baronetta!
lorddarkflare
Banned
Rez said:
Yeah, pretty impressive.
The only game on the list that is my style is Bayonetta and DMC. Shame really.
lorddarkflare
Banned
linzin said:
Well i am playing it on a Pc, and i get none of that frustration.
Sort of the point as to why i bitch about the score.
lorddarkflare said:
I am just illustrating the fact that Bayonetta is going to get a lot of high review scores. There seems to be a lot of people here that are using the fact that Bayonetta getting a 10 gives credit to EDGE 'losing it' in regard to Dragon Age score.
Can't say much for Dragon Age - I enjoyed it, the 360 version pales to the PC version sure -- anyway, back to Bayonetta...
ITS....AWESOME.
And I've been playing the PS3 version.
lorddarkflare said:
I've played it on both the PC and the 360. Played through to the end once as an elf rogue on PC, and started a new game on the 360 yesterday. (My poor laptop lagged so horrifically on the PC that I couldn't stomach the idea of doing a second playthrough on it. It might explode. Sigh.) I don't like the combat on either version. Besides the fact that even the iso viewpoint on the PC is too close and kinda gimped, the AI for your party is horrifically bad, no matter how you screw around with tactics. The AI wasn't that great in ME, but in ME, your allies being dumb didn't really hurt you much. In DA, your dumb party can get you killed. And the level of micromanagement involved in controlling your party when you get fed up with stupid AI is ridiculous.
I kinda feel like Yahtzee now, because I hated the combat system and I thought the whole thing was pretty cliche and all, but at the same time, I played through it on the PC for 60+ hours and just started a new game, so I don't know why I'm complaining.... :lol
lorddarkflare
Banned
jabipun said:
Well i think it is silly to paint the entire magazine with such broad strokes.
I believe that Bayontta deserved its score whilst simultaneously being butt hurt about DA:O.
lorddarkflare
Banned
linzin said:
Hmm, i dunno what to tell you. I had no AI issue (i am a vet of FF12, so i know my way around a gambit). I do agree that microing the game is a must (and this may turn off some), but i think that was the point of the combat.
Combat pretty broken though (no mechanic transparency), but not bad.
I have certainly played better games than DA, but i cannot remember any with better dialogue and companion characters.
I seriously cannot.
lorddarkflare said:
Me too. Except MAYBE the Persona series, although I didn't play those in English so I don't know how well it translated. Bottom line is, DA's setting and plot may not be original, but the execution, story-telling, and character building is some of the highest quality you will get. Compare it to something like FFXII which certainly is more innovative but whose story-telling and dialogue are horrid, and you see the value of DA's writing and how that can more than make up for its flaws. (I poured 100+ hours in FFXII as well and consider it one of my favorite games too. :lol)
Btw, if you mean broken as in warriors suck and mages are overpowered, that's kinda true in ME too with biotics being way, way overpowered, so I didn't bring it up. :lol
Teknopathetic
Member
"I have certainly played better games than DA, but i cannot remember any with better dialogue and companion characters."
Play BG2 or Planescape: Torment or Vampire: Bloodlines.
That said, Alistair is definitely one of the best characters in a game in quite some time. (Since the aforementioned titles, really)
Only Alistair really stands out in DA, though.
Play BG2 or Planescape: Torment or Vampire: Bloodlines.
That said, Alistair is definitely one of the best characters in a game in quite some time. (Since the aforementioned titles, really)
Only Alistair really stands out in DA, though.
Arhal_Katarn
Junior Member
Wow 5/10 is rather low, i know 5 is an average for Edge but Dragon Age is better then that. Some of the problems for me (360) are the poor graphics and the combat is pretty bad and the ai is terrible. I have had characters standing around just getting hit while they wait for an ability to charge or my healer charge into a melee, and thats with the ai routines set. If you want to slow down and switch between characters then the level of micro management is too high, too time consuming and just not fun to play like that.
I love the setting, the characters and the story but this game was made for the pc the combat system just doesn't work that well on consoles.
I love the setting, the characters and the story but this game was made for the pc the combat system just doesn't work that well on consoles.
wackojackosnose
Member
How good is Vampire: Bloodlines, really?
I heard it was a buggy mess when it came out and as good as it is after fan patching, there are still quite a lot of annoying problems. Is it like Fallout 1 (PC) where I spend a few hours on a mission, only to check an FAQ latter on telling me that the mission isn't actually programmed into the game but the developers actually left the option to start it in by mistake?
I heard it was a buggy mess when it came out and as good as it is after fan patching, there are still quite a lot of annoying problems. Is it like Fallout 1 (PC) where I spend a few hours on a mission, only to check an FAQ latter on telling me that the mission isn't actually programmed into the game but the developers actually left the option to start it in by mistake?
I think I would agree with the review score of DA:O for the 360 version. The controls and graphics just really put me off from the game after I put around 20 hours in it. So far, I really have no desire to go back to it. I wish they would've made a version for the Mac as well so I could play it like it is supposed to be played.
Huggers
Member
People should be embarrassed by their ridiculous, overly defensive reaction to a review. Is it that hard to fathom that to some reviewers, DA is no more than a five? Are you that small minded that you cannot except that could be someone else's interpretation of a game? A game with significant flaws. Desperately hunting for all sorts of different agendas from the magazine is a joke. They didn't like it, you did, end of story. Come on Gaf
wackojackosnose said:
Its technical issues at release probably hurt it's reception a fair bit. I know they kept me from picking it up until a few years later when it was $10 or $15 on Steam. Didn't have any technical issues despite not installing any of the fan patches.
Somewhat wonky combat aside, I think it's a near-great game. It nails the atmosphere of the World of Darkness perfectly, with probably the best depiction post-Deus Ex of a decaying crapsack near-future: the visuals, the script and the music are all on point. Most important for me, since the two behemoths of the WRPG industry give us games that are good but very much bound by their respective design philosophies, is that it's almost completely free of WRPG cliches. It also has the neat stuff you'd expect: multiple approaches to solving problems, some branching plot options with different endings and some legitimately creepy sequences (at least one of which everyone who plays the game will remember).
All of that said, if it had major technical problems at release and Edge graded more on grasp than reach, the 6 may have been fair.
Suairyu said:
YMMV. I loved the non-EE Witcher, to the point that I bought the EE solely as a gesture of support for CDProjekt. Admittedly, some of that enthusiasm was because I felt (as above) that the major WRPG creators were stuck in a rut producing polished but uninspired product, and The Witcher at least was something different. In retrospect, I consider it a very good game rather than a great one; but 'horrible'? Even Edge's judgment of mediocrity seems unfair unless they hold the genre to a standard far higher than they do others. Was the 00s supposed to have been a bad decade for WRPGs?
chicken_ramen
Member
wackojackosnose said:
People really seem to like it. I found it sort of dull and a little too claustrophobic.
Also, I know that W and J RPGs often feature some of the worst amounts of pandering of any non porn genre, but I found the pandering in this game almost offensive. Really other than the cramped nature of the 'city' it's the only thing that's stayed in my mind after all these years.
Darklord said:
How someone else reacts to some other situation in completely separate circumstances seems to me, unless I'm missing something, to be completely irrelevant. "Yeah sure I'm stupid, but other people are stupid too" is a meaningless thing to say.
chicken_ramen said:
Well let me put it this way. It might be a game but its a hobby for most people on GAF, maybe even a profession(developer, journalist, ect) so its pretty silly thinking we should all accept an opinion and move on. We have opinions too and we're voicing them here.
Fimbulvetr
Member
linzin said:
That's true, it was bad.
lolwat?