DeathbyVolcano
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Eiji Aonuma talks Skyward Sword in Nintendo Power interview
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milkyjay20
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i'm with you about SS being hideous, mantrid. it's more pandering to the general populace from the zelda team. half the people prefer the wind waker look, and half the people prefer the twilight princess look, so let's give them their deformed illicit fuckchild! it's so painfully garish and bright, lacking the deep colors of TWW. there's no subtlety or contrast, and it reminds me of some thq platformer.
but this was just one area and it's early, so i'm not writing off the visuals just yet.
the control mechanics are a huge step-up tho. the sword fighting in previous 3D zeldae were pretty much mindless hack and slash, reaching an apex in twilight princess, a game that made me actually drool... and i don't drool! this time, you actually have to think about the direction of your swings, or they will be blocked. the possibilities from the demo alone were impressive, so i'm looking forward to what the rest of the game offers.
aunoma did say that the dungeon and field flow was going to be changed, and that's really what's most important, cuz everything else about zelda is gold. the whole enter dungeon, find weapon, use weapon, kill boss, enter field, throw away weapon cuz you'll never use it again... it's gotta go, cuz it was ridiculous in TP. the field needs more focus and puzzles, and the dungeons need more freedom (like a field), and their relationship with each other must be seamless, and that feeling of formulaic will be replaced with illusion.
but this was just one area and it's early, so i'm not writing off the visuals just yet.
the control mechanics are a huge step-up tho. the sword fighting in previous 3D zeldae were pretty much mindless hack and slash, reaching an apex in twilight princess, a game that made me actually drool... and i don't drool! this time, you actually have to think about the direction of your swings, or they will be blocked. the possibilities from the demo alone were impressive, so i'm looking forward to what the rest of the game offers.
aunoma did say that the dungeon and field flow was going to be changed, and that's really what's most important, cuz everything else about zelda is gold. the whole enter dungeon, find weapon, use weapon, kill boss, enter field, throw away weapon cuz you'll never use it again... it's gotta go, cuz it was ridiculous in TP. the field needs more focus and puzzles, and the dungeons need more freedom (like a field), and their relationship with each other must be seamless, and that feeling of formulaic will be replaced with illusion.
EmCeeGramr said:
Agreed, they both went back on what they promised, this is part of the thing that irk's me as I was genuinely looking forward to something new.
2009:
"In mid November, Eiji Aonuma said Nintendo hopes to show something "surprising" about Link's next Wii-bound adventure at E3 2010."
"We're making efforts regarding the TOTAL flow of the Zelda game"
Now, I certainly have not seen anything that surprised me or anything that affects the total flow of the game. Have you? Are you not bored of it also?
As I stated in my first post, I am just worried the series is becoming too formulaic, I have the right to be worried and in all honesty, how can you not (or any other Zelda fan) feel that way? It has stayed roughly the same since OOT, it has to change, for me at least and I suspect that a lot more people feel the same way.
Mantrid said:
If they have focused heavily on the content-to-scale ratio problem that most 3D games have, not simply Zelda titles, then that will be a reworking of 'the TOTAL flow of the game.' Without question. And considering Aonuma and Miyamoto both mentioned this in the Iwata Asks made for last E3, I assume we're going to see a positive change in this regard.
Zoramon089
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Mantrid said:
Which makes sense...as we haven't seen the entire game...or even a small portion of it. All we've seen is a specially constructed area, for the sole purpose of demoing controls and a trailer that did the same thing. We know next to nothing about the game
Mantrid said:
Yeah, we don't know yet. We'll see. All I'm saying is, if they've corrected the content-to-scale ratio and are aiming for a 'fun' experience (as they both said in the Iwata Asks), then I don't know if it's going to resemble Minish Cap or what - but it's a positive thing nevertheless.
Well I was just skimming over the thread at first, and thought you knew about the trailer being just a showcase of controls with this. My mistake.Mantrid said:
This trailer isn't indicative of the final design of the game. It's just an enclosed area for messing around with the controllers.
That's it, nothing more.
You can argue they didn't give you your "revolution" when we actually know more about the game.. but as it stands, it's impossible to say anything from a design standpoint except from the excerpts from Aonuma, which point out to a shake up in the formula.
ShockingAlberto
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I'd like some changes, but I think people are so frustrated with standard Zelda that they're asking for more change than I would personally want.
One thing I feel I need to point out is the new revamped swordplay. I'm not talking about using M+ because it could be replicated with a second analog stick.Mantrid said:
Enemies react to different angles of your sword attaks, either by blocking or simply being invincible to certain attacks.
Deku Babas required specific motions, Bokoblins and Stalfos blocked your attacks and and you had to adjust to the Scorpion Boss's claws angle.
Should be an appetizer on things to come.
ShockingAlberto said:
Yeah, I know what you mean; it's one of the things that is both right and wrong with Nintendo, and it's hard for them. They are pretty much fucked if they do (unless it's a masterpiece; which I do feel they are still capable of creating) because those who wanted the same kind of feel/experience will rage about it; and fucked if they don't change it because it will be seen as an incremental/similar game to the last xxx games in any given series.
This would be eased by Nintendo just creating a new franchise or two that are masterpieces, I still feel that Link to The Past, Super Mario World and OOT were Nintendo's crowning moments in terms of game design. I don't feel that they have created anything that good since and would love to see them do so.
Holy Order Sol
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.la1n said:
wtf Ganon can't be anyone's puppet
he's fucking GANON
he just can't
Watching some vids from E3, I have two questions about the demo that was on the showfloor, I hope someone has the answers. 
Anyone know what was the framerate of the demo? I hope for 60fps. And more importantly is there camera control with the d-pad, SMG-style? I recently finished Twilight Princess on the Wii and oh man was I missing that so much. You cannot have a third-person adventure game without that shit. At least those awful pointer controls are gone in SS.
Anyone know what was the framerate of the demo? I hope for 60fps. And more importantly is there camera control with the d-pad, SMG-style? I recently finished Twilight Princess on the Wii and oh man was I missing that so much. You cannot have a third-person adventure game without that shit. At least those awful pointer controls are gone in SS.The Dutch Slayer
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Going to play the E3 demo at gamescom in only a few days SO EXITED !!!!!
The E3 demo was pretty cool. I think my arms might get tired, though. Also, why is even so stupid about the Deku Babas? Everyone I watched play it just kind of flailed at them, completely missing the point. I was smarter than that.
Also, why is even so stupid about the Deku Babas? Everyone I watched play it just kind of flailed at them, completely missing the point. I was smarter than that.
It kind of has to be since Ocarina of Time is the story of Ganon's origin and skyward Sword is a prequel.Cygnus X-1 said:
jett said:
1. The pointer controls in TP were awesome
2. The pointer controls are still there in SS for the slingshot and bow/arrow combo, except for the bow and arrow, you have to pull back on the nunchuk before you can fire.
Here was the control scheme at E3. It's supposedly a work in progress, but I don't remember camera controls.
AniHawk said:
1. O rly. I found them annoying to use in the middle of battle, having to re-position myself everytime I wanted to use the bow. Game would always lose track of where the wiimote is. Outside of battle I guess they were serviceable. Motion controls in general were pretty awful in TP Wii, I think I would have had a much better time with the gamecube version.
2. In the E3 demo Miyamoto gave he said you no longer have to point at the screen with the wiimote. The M+ thingy takes care of the aiming. He said this while using the slingshot.
jett said:
Point the remote at the sensor bar and make sure the settings are set for the remote to be above or below the TV (in the system settings). Also, if you're sitting too close (within 2 feet) or at an angle, it tends to get somewhat wonky. I've played at an angle before to mild success, but usually I do it about 10 feet away from the TV.
Well the one I played was done with pointer controls.
I was using targetting, but sometimes the enemies are far way. I don't know, it was just a messy experience for me! Or maybe it's the shield attack working less than 30% of the time that is clouding the whole motion experience in TP for me.
I'm about 4 feet away from my TV, so I dunno. I don't have a problem with grabbing starbits in mario galaxy though. The problem wasn't really aiming, more about adjusting between aiming and waggling like a maniac hoping for your crap to register. Than and the fact that for me that kind of experience didn't justify losing control of the camera.
AniHawk said:Point the remote at the sensor bar and make sure the settings are set for the remote to be above or below the TV (in the system settings). Also, if you're sitting too close (within 2 feet) or at an angle, it tends to get somewhat wonky. I've played at an angle before to mild success, but usually I do it about 10 feet away from the TV.
Well the one I played was done with pointer controls.
I'm about 4 feet away from my TV, so I dunno. I don't have a problem with grabbing starbits in mario galaxy though. The problem wasn't really aiming, more about adjusting between aiming and waggling like a maniac hoping for your crap to register.
Than and the fact that for me that kind of experience didn't justify losing control of the camera.Why would you use the pointer while battling? :Sjett said:
Oh and I thought in SS it worked like in Archery in WSR. Wonder why they didn't use that..
Saw your new post.. well at least it has a smart camara to follow you around that makes it more managable, but yeah camara control should be a better thing to have.
And well waggling like a maniac is probably the reason why they didn't work..:lol
Anihawk since you played at E3, could you tell if it was running at 60fps? Thanks for the control scheme btw. I hope they put the camera on the dpad since it seems unused at the moment.
Thought the camera was mediocre at best. I have not used a z-button in a Zelda game so much before.
And hey, I try finesse in TP, it doesn't work. I try waggling, it doesn't work either. I barely bothered using regular sword attacks because it was so unresponsive, I pretty much abused the circle slash the entire game...and you can believe it was annoying the times that didn't work either. It seems Nintendo has learned lots from the obvious rushjob that was the TP port though, SS looks like it controls right.
Boney said:
Thought the camera was mediocre at best. I have not used a z-button in a Zelda game so much before.
And hey, I try finesse in TP, it doesn't work. I try waggling, it doesn't work either.
I barely bothered using regular sword attacks because it was so unresponsive, I pretty much abused the circle slash the entire game...and you can believe it was annoying the times that didn't work either. It seems Nintendo has learned lots from the obvious rushjob that was the TP port though, SS looks like it controls right.jett said:I was using targetting, but sometimes the enemies are far way. I don't know, it was just a messy experience for me! Or maybe it's the shield attack working less than 30% of the time that is clouding the whole motion experience in TP for me.
The shield being so close to the sword spin was my most hated thing about the controls. I love you can be more relaxed and not have to have your hands so close to each other, but I get so relaxed that a shield bash when held sideways in my hand turns into a sword spin. Unfortunately, they're doing the same sort of thing with SS, however you also have to swing the remote with the nunchuk to get it to register as a mega sword slash so that should cut down on confusion. Can't remember what was the sword spin.
I'm about 4 feet away from my TV, so I dunno. I don't have a problem with grabbing starbits in mario galaxy though. The problem wasn't really aiming, more about adjusting between aiming and waggling like a maniac hoping for your crap to register.
If you didn't waggle in SMG, then you're probably going to have a tough time here. It's really just a flick of the wrist and nothing more. I'm guessing that because you played SMG that you're not pointing at the TV with your arm outstretched, and leaving it at your side or in a comfortable position instead. It's weird watching newbies play these games expecting to do wide sweeping motions or overexaggerated stuff sometimes. I know a girl that only played TP by doing wide jumping slashes for EVERY attack, and I've seen a lot of people play racing games like it was their first time driving instead of controlling the virtual vehicles like they'd steer their car.
Boney said:
It's a compromise between the TP style and WSR's. WSR's is nice for the minigame, but for a full Zelda title, it'd be a pain in the ass. And actually, with the slingshot available and doing some of the same things, you kinda have to wonder why it's just not point and shoot at all. You can make sense of other choices like the bomb, sword, and whip and how they might work in gameplay, but the arrow doesn't make sense outside of the motion.
jett said:
I'm the wrong person to ask about FPS because I can't tell the difference between 30 and 60, but it wasn't below 30 at least.
Some off-screen camera footage, but I don't know if you can tell from that.
Some more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4-Z3qfCQqc&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BUXzvJWv2k&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL-adSSSmco&feature=channel
Refreshment.01
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And right there is what has grow to become one of the fundamental problems with the Zelda series.
Aonuma, just take the best 3-4 items and make them essential in all the dungeons in clever and imaginative ways.
Fimbulvetr
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jett said:
If you hold the lock-on button while you're already aiming with the bow you can walk around while still using the pointer(but as a side effect the camera loses the ability to turn sideways as long as you're holding lockon).
Azelover
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Mantrid said:
It plays completely differently due to Wii Motion Plus, so indeed it's very different. I'm not sure you know what company you're talking about here, but getting a sense of "ordinary" evolution is not exactly something Nintendo's top design cuddles with. That's why they're still so relevant afterall, ergo the thread.
Refreshment.01
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Ok, but why you are opposed to reducing the item count?Boney said:
Take for example the slingshot... it just doesnt make any sense now. In Ocarina it was a good fit for child link projectile attacks, but in TP and Skyward sword it becomes redundant with the bow.
Its kind of funny you mention Spirit Tracks since i think it had some of the most interesting puzzles the series has seen in the latest 3/4 entries. As a side note and going by memory, i think Phantom had 1 or 2 items more than Spirit Tracks.