Agreed.Zeliard said:Of course the money's on consoles. You're talking about a group of consumers here willing to spend money on horse armor. $50 for peer-to-peer gaming. Map packs. Anything. No point in ignoring a group so eager to fork over their money for so little.
Zzoram said:They didn't get funding because Titan Quest made so little profit that investors didn't have confidence in IronLore's next game doing any better. If Titan Quest sold better, investors would've had the confidence to invest in their next game.
arstal said:Simple, because the decisionmakers behind the publishers are risk-averse, genuinely believe that 1 pirated copy= 1 lost sale, believe DRM works, and that consumers will accept DRM. Large corporations tend to be risk-averse by nature. This is why the Stardocks and Paradoxes of the world, mid-sized to smaller corps, have been the ones benefitting by DRM-light/free games.
eznark said:The DRM wasn't necessarily shitty, but keeping it a secret was a really, really stupid move. Arkham Asylum had the same sort of thing, pirated copies had some fail state early in the game, but they trumpeted that fact. Some DS games do the same. That way if anyone bitches on a forum about "bugs" you know they are a filthy pirate. Keeping it a secret defeats the purpose and serves to only deter purchasing the game.
Why pay $2.50 for horse armor when you can buy an armored horse for $25? PC gamers are also willing to host their own servers and pay full price for beta software. It's a win/win (or lose/lose, depending on your perspective).Zeliard said:Of course the money's on consoles. You're talking about a group of consumers here willing to spend money on horse armor. $50 for peer-to-peer gaming. Map packs. Costumes. Difficulty levels. Anything. No point in ignoring a group so eager to fork over their money for so little.
obonicus said:Did you see the post I was replying to? It was basically saying that Ubisoft puts terrible DRM on their games out of a seething hatred they have for consumers and that they would even if there was no piracy.
mikespit1200 said:Sorry, I should have made clear that I think all DRM is shitty, especially, Securom and its ilk. Completely counter-productive. I've said it before and I'll say it again: EA has it right, simple disk check and 10$ pirate tax for launch DLC. Ideally, I'd like to see all DRM gone, but I think EA's solution is the most sensible, because it is the most likely to turn casual pirates into paying customers without punishing paying customers.
belvedere said:So do we have numbers for PC BC2 yet? Initially EA reported that the PC version accounted for most of the sales over PS3 and 360. It completely blew EA's expectations out of the water. I mean they couldn't even properly distribute patches for like 2-3 weeks, among several other congestion related problems.
This proves people will pay for a good game on PC (or that they simply can't get the same multiplayer experience with a pirated version). Either way, that has to show in some way that there is a still a good market of PC gamers that can be catered to.
Aaron said:I admit to pirating Doom when it was originally released, but I bought Doom II to make up for this sin. It was on an actual CD!
Yeah, this is bullshit. I'm sure a lot of people pirated UT3, played it once for five minutes, and never again. No one bought the game because it was shit, Epic.
CecilRousso said:It also shows that don´t need draconian DRM. First they implemented one the mildest form of Securom so far, and then they even patched that out of the Steam version.
arstal said:Explain. The Securom is what has kept me from getting this?
You can also choose to verify the copy online upon launch and play without the disc. You can switch between the methods. It was the nicest "fuck you we assume you're a pirate" I've gotten in awhile.CecilRousso said:The disc version does come with Securom, but it doesn´t install anything on your computer, it´s embedded in the exe-file instead.
If you buy the Steam version, then there isn´t any Securom at all any longer.
MaxSteel said:i don't know a single person that still buys PC games. piracy has completely ruined the industry. it's nothing like consoles - comparing the two is idiotic.
CecilRousso said:The disc version does come with Securom, but it doesn´t install anything on your computer, it´s embedded in the exe-file instead.
If you buy the Steam version, then there isn´t any Securom at all any longer.
MaxSteel said:i don't know a single person that still buys PC games. piracy has completely ruined the industry. it's nothing like consoles - comparing the two is idiotic.
kamspy said:I never got this.
It's not like Gears 2 and 3 would make a return on investment on the PC platform. I'm fairly certain both would be profitable endeavors.
So either
A. Epic is so snoody they'd rather not make some money off a PC version because some people will pirate it.
or
B. Microsoft won't let them and they're too "hardcore" to admit to being bossed around by MS.
I'm rolling with B.
Microsoft doesn't publish on PC anymore. That's really all there is to that. Not that A or B is correct either.obonicus said:Or C, they actually don't think they can make money off Gears 2 on PC. Again, having the figures and actual costs and stuff.
You don't need to "move goalposts" to debunk this nonsense.DeadTrees said:In b4 "bu-bu-buh they aren't publishers, bu-bu-bu Crysis wasn't even released on consoles" and other futile handwaving/goalpost moving.
obonicus said:That window also coincides with the wide availability of broadband, though. Later on the advent of torrents made the process even easier.
You can't claim this at all.
CecilRousso said:We have reached the peak of piracy - a situation where everyone can pirate anything. They can get what they want without any real effort, and the people behind torrent sites are regarded like heroes.
And still:
gofreak said:T
Intuitively there is a loss immediately someone copies material you own the rights too.
Me saying that piracy is IN MY OPINION - whatever about how courts parse them out - effectively equivalent to theft is nothing like equating burglary with rape.
MaxSteel said:i don't know a single person that still buys PC games. piracy has completely ruined the industry. it's nothing like consoles - comparing the two is idiotic.
BobsRevenge said:Microsoft doesn't publish on PC anymore. That's really all there is to that. Not that A or B is correct either.
MaxSteel said:i don't know a single person that still buys PC games. piracy has completely ruined the industry. it's nothing like consoles - comparing the two is idiotic.
Zombie James said:Guess you can't blame them, though I never recall hearing about an Epic PC game doing poorly because of piracy.
kamspy said:If Microsoft doesn't publish on PC then why wouldn't Epic just say that's the reason for no Gears on PC instead of this bullshit?
MaxSteel said:i don't know a single person that still buys PC games. piracy has completely ruined the industry. it's nothing like consoles - comparing the two is idiotic.
DiatribeEQ said:Let's face it, that no matter how the pirates spin things, it all boils down to one simple fact that even they cannot deny: They pirate what they pirate because they didn't want to pay for it & knew how to do it easily. With a few mouse clicks, they can get whatever piece of software, song, or movie they could probably ever want. But they're also a hypocritical lot, as were someone to hack into their bank accounts and transfer the money from their accounts to another account, they'd be the first ones out there, screaming about how they'd been robbed and how wrong it was.
I <3 Memes said:So you are saying that all of the PC gamers in this thread that are speaking against Epic are pirates?
Mr. B Natural said:In this thread we learn that PC gamers are still in denial.
They had a company down right say what the hell is wrong with PC gaming and...nope, not good enough.
Mr. B Natural said:In this thread we learn that PC gamers are still in denial.
They had a company down right say what the hell is wrong with PC gaming and...nope, not good enough.
bkfount said:I know plenty of people that buy PC games, however their interest in PC ports of console games is pretty low. If game developers want to whine about PC sales, maybe they should actually be making PC focused games.
Mr. B Natural said:In this thread we learn that PC gamers are still in denial.
They had a company down right say what the hell is wrong with PC gaming and...nope, not good enough.
I <3 Memes said:So you are saying that all of the PC gamers in this thread that are speaking against Epic are pirates?
CecilRousso said:Yes, because if one person says one thing on the internet, then he must be right.
bhlaab said:PR spin. What sounds better:
"Our publisher won't put Gears of War 2 or 3 on the PC because the port of our first one sold and reviewed like shit and they don't want to lose money"
or
"People wanted to play the port of Gears of War so much that they had to resort to stealing it. Obviously, since we hate crime, we won't be feeding this frenzy any longer."
Mr. B Natural said:Oh, I know, it's an illusion or a conspiracy. Developers are switching/focusing on consoles cause it's a big conspiracy against pcs. There's no reasoning to business decisions when it comes to big companies like Epic. They don't know what they're doing! Gaf does.
Mr. B Natural said:You mean one guying being the president of Epic? Or one guy meaning you or the other individuals that just talk right out their asses with not a lick of knowledge or data. None. Zilch.
Zeliard said:Of course the money's on consoles. You're talking about a group of consumers here willing to spend money on horse armor. $50 for peer-to-peer gaming. Map packs. Costumes. Difficulty levels. Anything. No point in ignoring a group so eager to fork over their money for so little.