Quick RAM related question using these numbers: Say about 2Gb of the GDDR5 is reserved for framebuffers on Orbis and the 32mb of eDRAM on Durango are using the same thing do we have any idea of how 1.5Gb of GDDR5 would work in a typical game setting as opposed to 5Gb of DDR3? We don't really know how GDDR5 would work like that, do we?
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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shinobi602
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Well, they completely annihilate the 360 and PS3, so technically they do.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
So I should look into an upgrade around the beginning of next year then?
Basically, I'm good until we start moving out of UE3 and the like?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I'd honestly be surprised if that thing couldn't double as a cable box.
mugurumakensei
Member
Nah, it was just ram.
To be honest, these aren't monster specs.
The GDDR5 is a pleasant surprise, though.
Depends on what you mean by "minor." There will be some diminishing returns in the sense that the most dramatic differences will be in the areas of framerate, resolution, and overall IQ. In terms of graphical bells and whistles, the improvements over DX9 and DX9-equivalent visuals on PS3/360 won't be nearly as large since there's no revolutionary change in hardware like programmable shaders.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I'm sorry, what is this Steam box you speak of?
So it seems like we are going to end up the same we have this generation then, developers are going to end up having problems with Orbis because like the PS3 and 360 they will just port over from Durango which while slower will have the memory size advantage, and not really take advantage of the speed behind Orbis?
I'm not looking forward to next-gen elder scrolls problems like Skyrim have had on Orbis if this is where we end up heading again.
BruiserBear
Banned
Well, only fools expected monster specs. We know these machines have to ship around a $400 price point.
Still, I got the feeling for the past year there were some PC folks hoping to shit all over these console specs when they were announced.
So you're suggesting we're going to see a lot of games running at 60fps next gen? I've seen it said a thousand times before.
lol
Dion Blaster
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So if 0 is Wii > 360, and 10 is PS2 > Xbox, where does it look like the Wii U is sitting on that scale in terms of an estimated gap?
A lot of games didn't do very well with PS3's split memory. The GPU didn't get that much out of XDR's bandwidth, at least not without a fair bit of juggling relative to the situation on 360.
Even with this conservatively specced console I still think Sony will launch with a $399 price tag to be profitable on day 1.
4-6 IMO.
4-6 IMO.
Can Crusher
Banned
I'm not a programmer, but how does bandwidth help with an APP footprint?
No reason Sony can't emulate the PS2 fully on the rumored specs, but I don't think they'll be that generous. My bet is you'll have to buy the PS2 classics from the store. Hopefully they'll take advantage of the extra GPU power and render the games at 1080p.
Something linux something imaginary specs
hemtae
Member
You should be able to run things at least at console quality for a while.
and will be at the mercy of the other 2 consoles as far as what big games it gets and how much better the PC ports can be. The weaker the consoles the weaker the top end of the PC version.
Orbis sounds very focused on gaming, should be a sweet box.
Durango sounds like I have no idea, huge ram, possible better CPU?
I think you can play Peggle on it, but only if you install Windows 7. Windows 8 is not supported on a hardware level.
Durango sounds like I have no idea, huge ram, possible better CPU?
I think you can play Peggle on it, but only if you install Windows 7. Windows 8 is not supported on a hardware level.
Acidote
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
The Microsoft that's finishing this generation isn't the same that started it imo.
Trogdor1123
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What is the difference in price between 4 gigs of GDDR5 and 8 gigs of DDR3?
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Can anyone speculate whether these are pretty much final specs? We won't see these paired down when they start production on commercial units will we?
phosphor112
Banned
And MS's key theme?
Apparently Windows, lol.
That doesn't really make sense.
No game is going to use that much memory for framebuffers. But if a game needs to have x amount of memory for buffers on Orbis it'll need x amount of memory on Durango too - but 32MB of those buffers being worked on currently will reside in eDRAM.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
When it comes to backwards compatibility, SONY didn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars on Dave Perry's Gaikai streaming service for nothing you know...
theangrypirate
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Cool, just got one a month ago and it runs everything on max @1080p. I was hoping it would still pull its weight a year or so into the next console generation.
grimshawish
Banned
We need Nintendo's bigger efforts I feel.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I don't think it was much faster at all (25 vs 22 iirc) but it was split in two pool each with its own bandwidth. But the pools were smaller which made things more difficult to work with. GDDR5 vs DDR3 is I think 3x speed difference, and it's a single pool now, so no drawbacks other than total memory size of course.
And as for the total memory, I have to question honestly what 8GB of memory could even be used for in a single game environment machine, now when every engine does everything through streaming. It wouldn't surprise me if MS really dedicates 2-3GB to OS because they probably wouldn't be able to help much with running game anyway.
Yeah but it will probably mean the opposite sales wise, unfortunately.
should be a similar situation to running xbox 360 release titles on an 8800gt.
edit: ignore this. looking at numbers i forgot what a monster cards the 8800 serious were for their time. i doubt we'll ever see a generational leap like that again.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Open wide.
AgentP
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The bottle neck is the data the CPU sees in DDR3 (~20GB/s) talking to the GPU via PCIe at 16GB/s.
CrashPrime
Member
With both platforms being fairly "off the shelf" in nature, I hope that means PC ports are almost a given and a lot better than what we've grown used to.
Sort of ironic that PC gaming looks to have the brightest future, the more we find out about these consoles.
Sort of ironic that PC gaming looks to have the brightest future, the more we find out about these consoles.
theangrypirate
Member
I would agree with that.
Can Crusher
Banned
something fishy
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Strange because I get the feeling neither are going to be a step up if power is your thing and you game on a good pc already.
I think people will see what they want to see but these seem modest machines with a sensible balance of power and power usage with its associated heat for such small units.
I suspect it'll come down to software as to whether I will get either.
-Pyromaniac-
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Are people ever going to stop comparing consoles to PCs or is this a forever thing.
grimshawish
Banned
With such a big OS the speed will likely be felt even more so on 720 right?
I mean its not just going to remove RAM from the gaming equation.
Not sure why people are making out like these seem evenly matched or very similar infrastructures.
I mean its not just going to remove RAM from the gaming equation.
Not sure why people are making out like these seem evenly matched or very similar infrastructures.
Lherre mentioned something similar to that I believe.
He'll be fine, stop over hyping magical console optimization.
It will be a step up because people with 680s right now are still playing console ports of games that are made on 2005 consoles. Now they'll actually get to utilize those 680s and likely have to upgrade in the first year or two.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
In a more focused closed environment like consoles, this won't be the issue though. You can offload different tasks to the cores. And both of these platforms are far more user friendly than say, CELL.
You are underestimating what these new platforms can do.
Windom Earle
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I'll get the Orbis. Not for the specs but for the Sony exclusives. 3,5GDDR5 is good stuff for a console though.