ah you're right. sorry.
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Examiner Rumor: Xbox One GPU upclock yay - 12 GB Ram probably nay (source is NOT B3D)
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ah you're right. sorry.
Kazuma Kiryu
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I'm sure that's exactly why.
I don't know - from my limited knowledge I wouldn't believe that.
From what little is known between the two, it sounds like the PS4's is primarily for mp3 streams, as stated in the post I replied to.
If that is the case, the One's DSP is far more capable.
statham
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Toys R us too, hot damn.
phosphor112
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LMFAO. Bahahaha.
No tears, only dreams. Lol.
No. Those kits didn't have any DSPs in there. Just like how those kits didn't have unified memory or the final APU. The DSP is built into the APU.
He's right.
There is no way they are going to make hardware changes now. Increasing the memory? No way. All the hardware has been locked down. Anything they change now will not only affect production, the motherboard etc, but also the games in development. A Dev kit is so different to a retail kit.
However, if MS did decide to do this ridiculous thing, prepare for one of the following.
1 - The launch would be pushed back
2 - Prepare for a swathe of red rings (or whatever will be the error color this time)
3 - When you pop your launch title in, be prepared for so many bugs and crashes as to be funny.
However, if MS did decide to do this ridiculous thing, prepare for one of the following.
1 - The launch would be pushed back
2 - Prepare for a swathe of red rings (or whatever will be the error color this time)
3 - When you pop your launch title in, be prepared for so many bugs and crashes as to be funny.
well your conclusion is fucking stupid. Since he directly said this dev kit did not have access to the audio chip.
And it might be true about the audio chip but to use that as your example is fucking stupid.
Key phase "for example" he doesnt say this is all the chip can do. A DSP which has been rumor can do all that and more.
There's no doubts Shape will free up CPU cycles, how great these advantages, will differ from game to game. To be fair to Bkilian over at B3D he has given a good amount of detail regarding shape.
dragonelite
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I dont know microsoft is a cat driven into an corner by sony 8gb gddr5 they can make weird jumps. And AMD already has an GPU out there with 14 CU realistically i just keep it with the rumored specs. E3 games looked good enough for the X1 i mostly game on pc and on console i mostly play xbox exclusives so yeah if they could raise the floor in performance i welcome it. But in general next gen is paper specs are meh compared to pc hardware i have to my disposal. And most of that hardware will be 2~3 years when next gen launches.
Garrett 2U
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Sorry, my bad, not Toys R Us.
They ran out of PlayStation 4s.
Best Buy and Amazon are out of Xbox Ones.
Well it is a possibility, hence the "maybe"
Unless they are selling really well? I guess that is another.
scoobs
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There's no way. They're manufacturing these things right now.
Unless changes were agreed months ago, anyone expecting a spec changes from the VG leaks we have seen is pissing in the wind. Now do you really believe MS made changes say, when Sony announced its 8GB of ram?
Lol, they will try anything don't even bother.
Garrett 2U
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I was assuming that Xbox Ones weren't selling as well as PlayStation 4s.
Because Xbox Ones aren't selling as many units, and they are already running out of allocated units, that means they aren't producing enough of them.
Maybe they are having the rumored yield issues, or maybe the are having the rumored spec increases.
Or maybe they didn't start producing as early as Sony did.
Again, there are many possibilities, but modifying hardware is one possibility.
"For each xbox out there we'll have three in the cloud"
Can't remember which insane rep went with this expecting people to believe him.
I H8 Memes
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This smells of damage control. Man MS really got caught out by Sony on nearly every aspect in this console gen. Both hardware and software/policywise. If this world were fair and just, we would have some kind of video of the reaction of MS higher ups when the PS4 hardware specs were revealed.
I'm pretty sure they knew the specs Sony were going with, long before we did.
dragonelite
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Time will tell but why does he talks about using the gpu also for audio for games?
demosthenes
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Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Even if it were actually 12 you have to subtract three GB from that due to the OS.
ethomaz
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I can be wrong but PS4 have a DSP chip.
I will research more about... do you have any source to claim that PS4 don't have.
Black Republican
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wasnt it originally 4gb too?
gaming_noob
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We're going to be seeing a period of change for MS. It appears none of their execs/managers are on the same page on anything. All this blunder will hopefully help them improve, just like Sony.
It's all about the speed holes mayne. Prepare your weed hooks.
Lambda Pie
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i bet folks gonna paint flames on their X1's to make them go faster. just watch.
and they were informed 9 months before release.
Crimson_Gold
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It was
I H8 Memes
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I'm pretty sure they didnt. The ram and OS itself is a dead giveaway. It looks like MS thought it would be 5gb's ddr3 ram vs 3 to 3.5 gddr5 ram in the sony console. No way MS would have gone with that ridiculous 3gb's OS memory hog if they knew Sony would have 7gb's of much faster memory available for games. As it stand now Sony not only have the better memory architecture, it's faster as well.
Hells horses man, the PS4 has 28% more memory available for games. That's an incredible difference. Imagine games that are coming out right now for the Xbox 360 and PS3, then try to imagine how those games would look and perform with 28% less memory.
crazygambit
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This gets said a lot and it was certainly true in the past when consoles had very different architectures from one another, but today? You have essentially 2 PCs and one is 50% more powerful than the other. Even if the target is the lower spec machine, it doesn't take any extra effort to tap into the additional power of the other. It's nothing like writing specialized SPU code to get performance out of Cell.
phosphor112
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EDIT: damn multiquote
The programmable logic doesn't seem to fit any more, because the rumors of the increased compute (and later confirmation) kind of points to not needing it.
Even with the interview last year with Masaaki Tsuruta, SCE's CTO, he mentions the hardware in broad terms, "You are talking about powerful CPU and GPU with extra DSP and programmable logic."
The programmable logic doesn't seem to fit any more, because the rumors of the increased compute (and later confirmation) kind of points to not needing it.
ikr lol.
Because he was talking about ray tracing audio which would need the power of the gpu to do that in real time.
LiquidMetal14
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Certain posters posting here means case closed for me 
TheJollyCorner
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I learned a new word today thanks to this thread:
codswallop
codswallop
amstradcpc
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Hold your horses. The audio chip could be still a MP3 decoder and this way they had to decode, as well as processing sound, also by software.
The nearest is this quote ( from a very good thread at B3D, really ) from a Sony dev:
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1763012&postcount=101
miDnIghtEr20C
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It's only 33%? I've seen nothing but people chanting 50%.
phosphor112
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Because 50% is correct.
crazygambit
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Not this shit again. PS4 is 50% more powerful than Xbone. Xbone is 33% weaker than PS4.
Percentages, how do they work?
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