Sweeney Tom
Banned
This has been basically acknowledged since, at the very most recent/absolute latest chance to do so, November.
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Extending U.S. laptop ban to Europe would cost flyers $1B a year, IATA says
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This has been basically acknowledged since, at the very most recent/absolute latest chance to do so, November.
3DS is ok. PS Vita is not, as it's a bomb.
You are more likely to die by your own hands than a terrorist on a plane
In fact this does little for your safety and just affect the daily lives of your regular citizens
DontBeThatGuy
Member
The laptop bomb would still be on the plane in the still small chance that it actually exists, so this is annoying, dumb, and a waste.
APZonerunner
Member
This is actually bad for everyone, as the ban is based on size. Not even a Kindle, Switch or iPad Mini are small enough to qualify to be allowed in the cabin based on the terms of the proposed ban.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Is anyone seriously going to put something as expensive and fragile as a laptop into a checked luggage? They literally destroy that stuff with how carelessly they throw it, and how often they lose it. I think it will make more sense to just buy some cheapest laptop at your destination, and then sell it before you travel back.
SuperBanana
Banned
Because a shit load of people use laptops on long flights? Flying for business, holiday, or just want entertainment most people bring a tablet or laptop on a plane.
shira
Member
ayyy
Can't believe there are people falling for this shit and defending it.
Well at least it's only for flights to the US, so it's easily avoidable by going to other countries instead.
Also since we are talking about the US here, I'd be interested if this is just another move to give US companies some sort of competitive advantage. I'm sure there is something if one were to look
Well at least it's only for flights to the US, so it's easily avoidable by going to other countries instead.
Also since we are talking about the US here, I'd be interested if this is just another move to give US companies some sort of competitive advantage. I'm sure there is something if one were to look
Gentleman Jack
Member
If the credible threat is that someone is going to detonate a bomb disguised as a laptop, this 'ban' makes no changes to that threat, only that now the explosion will happen in a different part of the plane. Half-assed measures that do nothing to actually increase security is the very definition of security theater.
Quote
Member
Ah yes, the airline industry, who is well known for taking the costs upon themselves will definitely not figure out some way to pass the cost to their customers.
What's in this for you to defend any part of this idiotic practice?
Zoe
Member
Well you would hope that by having to check in all laptops, that would mean they could pass through more stringent inspections beyond the security lines.
The Greek Freak
Member
The conference I'm at simply would lose half it's members if they couldn't bring their work with them.
At this point due to border security demanding passwords/files etc people are better off not bringing ANYTHING and then having a cheap phone/laptop to use while in the states and then ditch them at the end of the trip.
What a fucking waste.
At this point due to border security demanding passwords/files etc people are better off not bringing ANYTHING and then having a cheap phone/laptop to use while in the states and then ditch them at the end of the trip.
What a fucking waste.
MetaCircular
Member
This would ruin travel for scientific/tech conferences. I need to have a machine that can run code with me.
A phone doesn't cut it. Work doesn't just mean checking email.
A phone doesn't cut it. Work doesn't just mean checking email.
what you did there
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
Similar to the underwear bomber, this long term will likely mean new screening protocols for laptops and electronics at security checkpoints.
Until then, this is probably the result, and based on how sensitive the intel Trump supposedly gave the Russians about this threat is, it's likely a very real threat.
ISIS et al have been trying to get bombs onto planes ever since 9/11.
HSA TSA et al have been doing their best to detect said plots and stop them.
The downside, as the article notes, is a lot of li-ion batteries in the cargo hold isn't exactly the best solution either.
Until then, this is probably the result, and based on how sensitive the intel Trump supposedly gave the Russians about this threat is, it's likely a very real threat.
ISIS et al have been trying to get bombs onto planes ever since 9/11.
HSA TSA et al have been doing their best to detect said plots and stop them.
The downside, as the article notes, is a lot of li-ion batteries in the cargo hold isn't exactly the best solution either.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Don't they use the exact same machinery to inspect/x-ray checked luggage as carry on as well as enact identical protocols to filter out hazardous materials? And in what way is the proposed ban going to strengthen the checked-bag inspections at the airports of ten initial cities let alone further dozens should the ban get expanded to Europe?
Security.
Theater.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Welp, this is why stuff like this gets passed
Utter the words."security" and "terrorism" and dumbasses will fall over themselves in their eagerness to make everyone's life shittier
MikeHattsu
Member
Good
Bring pen and paper, and plenty of change for payphones.
7DollarHagane
Banned
If they have proof of credible threat it's worth it.
Would you go back in time to 1996 and pay 2 billion to prevent 9/11? Without hesitation.
Would you go back in time to 1996 and pay 2 billion to prevent 9/11? Without hesitation.
BassForever
Member
TSA security played amost no part in why 9/11 happened
Frankfurter
Member
Welp:
Steve Landells, a safety expert at the British Airline Pilots Association, said there was a greater risk of lithium battery fires if larger devices were kept in an aircraft's hold.
"Given the risk of fire from these devices when they are damaged or they short circuit, an incident in the cabin would be spotted earlier and this would enable the crew to react quickly before any fire becomes uncontainable," he said.
"If these devices are kept in the hold, the risk is that if a fire occurs the results can be catastrophic; indeed, there have been two crashes where lithium batteries have been cited in the accident reports."
7DollarHagane
Banned
Irrelevant. If you could go back to 1996 and enact an enforceable rule that would prevent you would do it at any cost. Again, if it's about responding to a credible threat every precaution should be taken.
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They are doing it so they can inspect and bug your laptop. This is the only reason.
Frankfurter
Member
It's not about whether the device is a tablet or laptop. It's the size that matters. So yes, a Surface Pro is not allowed under these rules as a carry on.
This sucks. I'm going on my first ever international vacation in less than a month. I should bring my laptop because I'll have to be able to do a few things for work especially on the flight but now I probably won't even bring it along. That plus all this talk of laptop bombs on flights has me kinda scared.
This is actually great news for terrorists - you don't even need to bring a bomb anymore. It is enough to just rig a laptop/tablet/whatever so that is overheats in the cargo hold....perfect. It might not "work" 100% of the time - but it will work eventually.
And to top of, it is completely safe to bring this rigged item through customs checks, as I seriously doubt this level of mechanical trickery can be noticed by your normal customs agent...
Fucking idiotic if this ban happens...
And to top of, it is completely safe to bring this rigged item through customs checks, as I seriously doubt this level of mechanical trickery can be noticed by your normal customs agent...
Fucking idiotic if this ban happens...
Hellsing321
Member
Nothing which is why bans for flights from select countries is stupid. If it's a real threat than it should be banned on all flights.