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FB worker living in garage to Zuckerberg: challenges are right outside your door
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cpp_is_king
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If someone in your town made $20/hr and lived in a neighborhood where the cheapest house was $2m, are you suggesting we should pay them enough to afford a $2m house so they don't have to move to a cheaper neighborhood?
Ahh, good old Vallejo. Only a 2 hour/80 mile commute. One way.
Jmanunknown
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Enaging with people like you and the poster is point less. I will just say good day to you sir or madam.
0ptimusPayne
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I would save up change every month to eventually move out and move on from the Bay Area. Its not worth the money at all. When you got software engineers and other techies living out of trucks and shit, theres no way Facebook and other large tech Corp are going to throw a ton of money at support staff workers for them to afford 3+ bedroom place in the Bay Area. The housing market sucks over there, and feel like they have a better chance of finding cafeteria jobs elsewhere and upgrade a bit from a garage.
There is no cheaper area. That's the problem.
It's an American thing. We worship the rich.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
It's always the boomers fault.
I know Zuck isn't a boomer. Message still applies.
The super-duper-rich are not the ones reducing class mobility, the top 20% are. We are literally pulling the ladder up behind us.
I mean out of the whole area tho. For example, Bakersfield in CA has an average rent for a 2b/2b under $900/month.
Lot of jobs are open in SF and Boston for my career but I'm just not interested in moving to these expensive areas.
They love him because he is a liberal like them and also hates the poor.
cpp_is_king
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Just hop over the bay bridge and drive for 20 minutes and you can find tons of cheap housing.
cpp_is_king
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I legit don't understand your proposed solution (or if you even have one), but ok
So 1 hour to cross the bridge, then 20 minutes?
Suing Native Islanders to get their land is tiring work
xDUMPWEEDx
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These people are not Facebook employees. They are employees of a company called Flagship Facilities Services.
As I've said in an earlier post, the article is written in a hit-piece style against Facebook. Flagship Financial Services is responsible for paying them crap wages. I'm sure Facebook is paying "FFS" a huge amount of money with their contract, but Facebook has no say in what FFS's management pays their employees, other than the $15 minimum wage policy that is required of their contractors.
Souless_PJ
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Do what everyone else does when they can't afford to live somewhere and move to a place with a cheaper cost of living.
It's not like working in a cafeteria is some special job that can only be done at FB.
It's not like working in a cafeteria is some special job that can only be done at FB.
Jmanunknown
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I see what happened to this couple
It seems they have been priced out of a market they have spent their whole entire lives in.
It seems they have been priced out of a market they have spent their whole entire lives in.
The reliance out working class has on state provided services, such as Medicaid, insurance subsidies, food stamps, had greatly limited their ability to just pick up and move.
Intact interstate migration is the lowest it has been in a century.
andythinkpad
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Making low salary employee work in SF is cruel.
Just build some fucking job buildings somewhere else.
Just build some fucking job buildings somewhere else.
Theonik
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The minimum wage is supposed to stop price competition from dropping wages bellow a certain standard of living. There is many benefits for the state to do so. The argument would be to either force employers to pay for people commuting or suggesting that 3hrs a day in commuting is not an acceptable standard of living effectively increasing the minimum wage in that area.
Ahaha.
The entirety of the bay is a suburb, except for SF proper which is the size of a thimble. There are just homes spread throughout, but they're all expensive. Some areas are bit less, but it's not really practical because of the mediocre public transport.
The problem is no new housing is being created, except in San Jose where you'll find 2.5k+ apartments and condos. But I would sooner kill myself than live in SJ.
LA is by far a better place to live than SF/Bay Area.
This is coming from an LA person currently living in the pits of the bay.
I would love to live in SF but it's impossible because work is in the south bay, so commuting would be shitty af.
It's not like I haven't done close to 2-hour commutes in LA, but I don't want to do that again. Not to mention that SF is insanely expensive and that there's really nothing of value, culture, art, etc., in the south/east area besides the tech companies and a few universities. Plus, everything closes by 9-10pm. Meh.
And as I replied, fb could quite easily take the staff back in house
The problem is housing. The city needs to build more affordable housing.
Velcro Fly
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Paying them a shit load isn't going to fix the housing situation.
You are treating a symptom and hoping it cures the entire disease.
And paying everyone a livable wage and not fixing the housing problem is only going to drive the price of housing up even more because everyone will have more money to spend on housing. It is clearly a supply issue not being able to keep up with demand.
You are treating a symptom and hoping it cures the entire disease.
And paying everyone a livable wage and not fixing the housing problem is only going to drive the price of housing up even more because everyone will have more money to spend on housing. It is clearly a supply issue not being able to keep up with demand.
How many homes could Facebook build, for say 1bn? And still have 437 billion in the bank
Now I know for sure you're just talking out of your ass because someone is knocking Zuckerberg. You have no concept of how any of this works at all.
LinkAndEpona
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This is basically my thoughts as well regarding this.
For more broad statement, I believe it's perfectly reasonable to want living wages but you have to be willing to be pro-active about your own situation as well. Moving might suck but that is on you. Was it their plan to have 3 kids in that area while only working low skill jobs?
Velcro Fly
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How is this Facebook's problem though? Facebook isn't the only corporation doing business in the area. Facebook isn't the one causing there to be a housing shortage, forcing people to either live far away and have a shitty commute or live in a garage. Seems to me these local municipalities need to sack up and start building housing and not worry about what it will do to the property values of things that are already built.
Zuck has a leg up on this politics thing though. Already getting blamed for something he didn't do and that he can't really easily fix on his own.
The problem is that the local residents will actively prevent the housing that needs to be built from being built.
entremet
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Yep. FB would probably do it! They want that talent lol.
(17.85+19.85) * 40 * 52
Zuckerberg always seems pretty shady in my book. Here's my feelings.
He spent $30 million on homes in silicon valley that was decided against zoning code, then he replanned so that his 4 houses would be approved. Happened around the same time they donated 3.1 million to housing legal services in the same area.... I'm not saying they paid the get their compound approved but things smell fishy.
All the while his own employees suffer from absurd housing prices due to zoning that needs changing. Now is he fighting to change zoning to help everyone else? No.... That would depreciate his land value. Instead just donate 3 mil so they can not be evicted for a bit longer while prices keep rising.
Guy is great at seizing opportunity. He knows the hustle.
Edit: Though just read that FB as a whole is putting in 20 mil to fight for affordable housing which looks to include support for building affordable housing and change in zoning. Though I'll believe he cares when he doesn't require an entire compound in an impacted housing area. Would this be Nimbyism? He's got one hell of a back yard.
He spent $30 million on homes in silicon valley that was decided against zoning code, then he replanned so that his 4 houses would be approved. Happened around the same time they donated 3.1 million to housing legal services in the same area.... I'm not saying they paid the get their compound approved but things smell fishy.
All the while his own employees suffer from absurd housing prices due to zoning that needs changing. Now is he fighting to change zoning to help everyone else? No.... That would depreciate his land value. Instead just donate 3 mil so they can not be evicted for a bit longer while prices keep rising.
Guy is great at seizing opportunity. He knows the hustle.
Edit: Though just read that FB as a whole is putting in 20 mil to fight for affordable housing which looks to include support for building affordable housing and change in zoning. Though I'll believe he cares when he doesn't require an entire compound in an impacted housing area. Would this be Nimbyism? He's got one hell of a back yard.
In oklahoma me and my wife do , family of 4. Homeowners.
Always matters on cost of living
cpp_is_king
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Zero, because the nimbys in the area won't let anyone build anything
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
I think there is a disconnect in this forum between what is possible to live on depending on where you are from. In Europe you can live on 15 with one person working to support a family of four. It basically means you don't pay any taxes, come out with 2500 including child support and health care for everyone. Rent would be 600 to 700 . So you could live relatively comfortably on that one salary in a small to medium town.
That two people work for more than that (with much less time off, we have 24 mandatory holiday days plus unlimited sick days plus sick days for when your kids are sick) and have to live in a garage in the US and don't even have health care is mind blowing. I'd say if your employer doesn't pay you enough to afford the minimum any decent working human being should have, get another job somewhere else.
Minimum wage isn't something to use as a marker - no family in the US can survive on minimum wage without assistance. It shows a certain level of simplemindedness to take an arbitrary number to set it as the benchmark as to where the working class no longer has a right to complain.
You're not even engaging in the depth and breadth of the issue -- your basically telling the working poor to accept the crumbs they're given and to shut up.
Mammoth Jones
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Yea please do tell. Monday through Friday I'm gone from 7am until 7 pm.
But he managed to get his complex approved, with a large donation?
Where they are 0.
It's a local political issue.
Different. NIMBY landowners love additional jobs in the area. It drives up their housing wealth. There only concern would be parking.
Various Artists
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This is kind of how I feel. I suppose I could live in a garage to be closer to work too. Instead I take public transportation for 90 minutes both ways to provide exactly what they are seeking. Sometimes you just can't have your cake and eat it too.
quickwhips
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The inflated price of living is bullshit but people need to live else where. I make 80k but the cost of a family of 4 to live where I am is 60k. So I live a pretty good life. My house cost 150k but elsewhere it might have been 250-300k. I wouldn't dream of living in a some places because it would cost too much just to break even...
dragonelite
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They probably do(internal people only), but which company gives a contractor a bonus.
Theonik
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Facebook could relocate. Companies often do because of these kinds of issues. Let's see the homeowners complain when their houseprices plummet.
dc3k
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It's hard to pick up and move when you can barely afford to eat
Well exactly.
Imagine looking for rented properties in the new area "ok, so you haven't yet got a job, and got haven't got any savings.... I'll see what I can find"
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