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You're suggesting they relocate so that the contract staff can live more comfortably?
Theonik
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They relocate so they can pay their staff less more like. But if the local residents don't give facebook what it needs to run its business moving is the right option. You see that all the time when more office space is needed etc.
kiunchbb
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I am just pulling this out of my ass, but the reason the parent chose to live in the expensive area is probably for the school districts. A lot of people in LA does that in expensive neighborhood.
I am sure with their salaries they can drive 1-2 hours for a more affordable place to live.
I am sure with their salaries they can drive 1-2 hours for a more affordable place to live.
Menlo Park is crazy expensive because it's Menlo Park.
Hopping across the Bay (and the Dumbarton) to Fremont means you can find a 3 bed/2ba for between $2800-$3500/mo. That'll be a 30-60 min commute depending on traffic (standard for the area) and still below the 50% of income that most in the SF Bay Area pay for housing.
An example:
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_re...,-121.779671,37.31939,-122.236977_rect/10_zm/
dragonelite
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Some folks are living in a dream world i guess.
Facebook is a software engineering company, the highest concentration of highly skilled software engineers is silicon valley.
Not in some random city, you probably need to pay top software engineers more to move to that random city.
Or be happy you lost your competitive edge and hire lower tier developers in a small town.
AstroNut325
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Yup. School districts is there most important thing to many parents. I can relate!
That would be like a steel company leaving Pittsburgh or an auto manufacturer leaving Detroit at the height of their respective booms. It makes too much sense for a major tech company to have it's HQ in San Francisco.
Theonik
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When you're facebook that's not an issue. People move cross-country to work for you.
I'm not suggesting this is what Facebook should do. I'm saying it is well within their powers to do so if so desired.
E: This is all contingent their plans to build housing fails because of locals. You can't sustain industry without affordable housing not even Silicon Valley can.
NervousXtian
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About 1,000. They also don't have 437b in the bank. They have less than 10bn in assets they could liquidate.... so they could say build 10,000 houses in the bay. Do they give those houses to people?
The problem is too many people in an area. Giving everyone higher wages doesn't fix the problem at all.
Exactly. The problem is too many people in an area where you can't expand houses. The solution would be huge condo and apartment complexes for housing. We've seen what happens in the past by building giant housing projects, they don't tend to work out so well.
What will happen is that eventually business will move out due to the cost or lack of employees they can afford to pay. Then it will crash.
Facebook has been trying to build housing for awhile.
It has a current plan for 1500 units, 15% BMR, and office/retail space. It'll take at least two years to get thru the Menlo Park approval process, assuming there are no NIMBY objections.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-housing-idUSKBN19S31V
Widdle Puppy
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I agree. It comes off kind of shitty because it's really just piety theatre.
If Zuckerberg actually wanted to make a difference instead of feeding his ego there's a ton of shit he could be doing in CA to help fund groups working to get the housing issues fixed.
xDUMPWEEDx
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Why? What would Facebook gain from doing this? Sure, any billion dollar tech company could do a lot of things, but doing what you are saying makes no sense. It is significantly more expensive and complicated to run an in-house cafe department than simply cut a single check to a contractor every X number of months and be completely worry free. What you are saying makes zero sense, and is why Facebook outsources this work.
m_shortpants
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Yes? Long commutes are a thing here in the Bay Area. Transportation infrastructure sucks.
Mysterious
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Google has a lot of in-house chefs. But a lot contracted as well.
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the_darkness
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I fucking love this post and the casual assertion that these people shouldn't dare dream to earn much as someone with A COLLEGE DEGREE does.
xDUMPWEEDx
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I could understand having an in-house, high end, Chef, to run a cafe of contracted workers. The linked article didn't say whether these particular individuals in this case have any unique culinary ability, and they sound like run of the mill cafe workers. These individuals are going to be contracted, just like many others such as landscapers, etc.
Or the entire area will become proof of concept for automation and they'll see how few people they can get by with. That will then spread to the rest of the country leading to massive unemployment.
William and James Darcy Lever (founders of what is now Unilever) built the town of Port Sunlight for their workers in the late 1800s. In that same century, The Cadbury family built the village of Bournville for their workers. Sir William Hartley, owner of Hartleys Jam, had a village built for his key workers. Sir Henry Tate donated his art and thousands of pounds to worthwhile causes in education and health in towns and cities wherever Tate and Lyle operated.
In 2017, Mark Zuckerberg employs families that live in garages.
She's right, he should take more interest in what his presence in that state is doing to rents and think about how he might help.
In 2017, Mark Zuckerberg employs families that live in garages.
She's right, he should take more interest in what his presence in that state is doing to rents and think about how he might help.
Elfotografoalocado
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Well, it's the bay area. If you don't want your employees to move out and find a job elsewhere you have to be competitive.
Kill Your Masters
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Silicon valley mostly sounds gross.
And this soulless thread is actually rage inducing.Damn that's heartbreaking
Theonik
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More likely is that eventually Facebook outgrows their ability to expand in that location due to housing becoming cost prohibitive/running out of office space. When that happens they will have to move. /somewhere/ wherever land is affordable. What history has taught us is that for large companies like that what makes sense is to try and buy lots of land and build a purpose built community around it to house their workers in either one large campus or of you prefer a Facebook village. Many industrial cities were built much in the same way. The major companies simply bought the land and built the housing there.
E: In fact it's why many of the major silicon valley players are adding housing as part of their equation when expanding their existing campuses today.
But they can't get by on their income well enough. And then you have people saying so just live outside the area. Yea, we should strive to be like the olden days where people worked in the castles had to live outside the protective walls of their job. Make them suffer that they have to drive their cheaper cars longer distances giving up more time of their days because they're not as important. Lets have the richer people with the nicer comfy cars have the shorter commutes.
This guy wants to talk about the salary discrepancies, yet he has how much assets?
This "area inflation" needs to stop. Only way these companies will learn is when they drive people out of where they choose to set up shops, and have to pay significantly more to get these same people back.
They've been hiring like crazy in Seattle. All the Silicon Valley firms are. Ruining one city and its surroundings wasn't enough.
One Eyed Willy
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So they live at home, and either are rent free and spend everything elsewhere or they rent from Victor's parents at a rate that leaves them broke? Something doesn't add up.
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Once again people are being mislead or misleading themselves into thinking people should be dependent on corporations to have a social safety net instead of it being the government's responsibility.
You're barking at the wrong tree. First you get a living wage, then you need all the regulations imaginable to make sure you can't lose your job overnight, then you need the government to bail out companies to support people, etc. It's taking the problem all the wrong way, it's fucking up the economy at other countries' benefits.
Fight corruption thoroughly, put in place an efficient tax system, and cover society's basic needs using the revenues so that people aren't forced to work to live and support their kids. Then let businesses live by their own mantra of free market offering what people will take to work for them.
You're barking at the wrong tree. First you get a living wage, then you need all the regulations imaginable to make sure you can't lose your job overnight, then you need the government to bail out companies to support people, etc. It's taking the problem all the wrong way, it's fucking up the economy at other countries' benefits.
Fight corruption thoroughly, put in place an efficient tax system, and cover society's basic needs using the revenues so that people aren't forced to work to live and support their kids. Then let businesses live by their own mantra of free market offering what people will take to work for them.
mingoguaya
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Ha! You should try and live in Puerto Rico. Here a family of 5 live on a $7.25/hr 32 hour a week salary. And that's with a whopping 11.5% sales tax on almost every good but medicines and non prepared food.
DETECTIVE GAF ON THE CASE. I think you're one step away from solving the housing crisis.
Dark Ninja
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-So are they paying rent for that garage?
-What do the parents parents do sounds like they aren't struggling?
-Ask if they can go rent free if they aren't to save money?
-Don't borrow money for Birthday parties if you cant get by.
-I never grew up with a room, be honest with your children and tell her to chill till they can get more money.
-Time to move IF your struggling that bad or commute the job/pay is that great. I know people who commute 1 to 2 hours to work and they have children.
-What do the parents parents do sounds like they aren't struggling?
-Ask if they can go rent free if they aren't to save money?
-Don't borrow money for Birthday parties if you cant get by.
-I never grew up with a room, be honest with your children and tell her to chill till they can get more money.
-Time to move IF your struggling that bad or commute the job/pay is that great. I know people who commute 1 to 2 hours to work and they have children.
ZackieChan
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In "Europe"? Europe is a big place. There are cities, I'm sure, where this wouldn't be enough money.
Same in the US.
Which city? It's not like the Bay has a lot of spawning land like other areas. You know that Menlo Park was a modest community before FB came along, right? And that your friend's $1.5M home used to be a tiny fraction of that when it was constructed, because most of the houses there were built in the mid-late 20th century.
I know that FB overpays devs, some make $200k only after a year of experience. It makes no sense.
What responsibility does Zuckerberg have if she works for a subcontractor? If I pay a cleaning company a fair price to clean my house, how responsible am I if the maids they employ are paid minimum wage?
They've unionized now - let them strike and negotiate fairer pay. Facebook developers will have to go without their avocado toast for a few days.
They've unionized now - let them strike and negotiate fairer pay. Facebook developers will have to go without their avocado toast for a few days.
Baki
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3 bed apartment would easily cost upwards of $5,000 a month in the Bay Area. So household income would have to be above $170K.
Wider problem is nimbyism leading to unaffordable cost of living.
They want to but aren't allowed to. Blame local government & nimbyism.
therealist
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Paying employees more is not the answer. That would just increase the rents even more. What you want is supply-demand equilibrium. Paying people more just increase the demand. Have we not learned anything yet?
I know it increases gentrification, but the bay area needs to build a fucking working mass transit system so that people can live more than a few miles away from work without having a 3 hour commute every day. Bart/Muni/Caltrain is literally the worst system I've been on anywhere in the world. Too few lines that don't go anywhere useful so you have to take a bus when you get off anyway.
You Are Viewtiful
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That's an amazing wage. The problem isn't Facebook, the problem is the politicians. The cost of housing is out of control due to poorly thought out housing regulations.
Mysterious
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They won't move. They'll expand and open offices in other cities. Probably Seattle, Vancouver, New York, Toronto, London.
Mysterious
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FB has signing bonuses that range from 75,000 to 250,000 for entry-level. lol
ChubbyHuggs
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Sounds like slumming.
Purple Cheeto
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$2k a month won't get you a 1 bedroom in most of SF.
Still need people to do the small jobs but not willing to pay them a bigger wage "Just live outside the city" is not the best response, more money is being spent for travel more time ia being spent travelling meaning less work hours or most meaning less time for family and leisure time.
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