Oh? So a poster verified by Bish saying that the numbers are incorrect is wrong? Please, tell me what they are then sir?
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F'DUPTON 3: Back in the Tub with 5.0/5.5/6/7/several Inches of RAM-Flavoured Water
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Oh? So a poster verified by Bish saying that the numbers are incorrect is wrong? Please, tell me what they are then sir?
Pound_lb003
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One of them machines can turn men into angels.
CouldBeWorse
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Why put it in there if it's not worth considering? Surely it has some impact or they wouldn't have bothered.
If you're knowledgeable enough to talk specs, you should be able to explain the impact(s).
Bisoptl would have banned him if he couldn't verify it privately.
I think the mods get a kick out of watching this stuff sometimes.
Are you saying the PS4 DOESN'T have real time fart particle simulation?
FFS.
I'm going to stick to playing the Microwave game.
That's my take on it as well. Especially "take it as you will" confirms that by not banning him that he's legit
LiquidMetal14
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It's the cycle, indeed. I do think devs are really happy about these platforms because the parts work well together. At least we know this much about PS4 with Cerny talking about many technical things. That's been refreshing.
I think devs are very happy but know the limitations. The good thing is the ceiling has gone up and ultimately PC should benefit as well.
Metalmurphy
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Developers have to make games considering there's PS3s with 20GB space. So I wouldn't worry about that.
Oh noez! The PS4 still has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM and more than enough left for gaming! Time to boycott and start petitions!
The Bookerman
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I had heard that ram numbers were pretty much the same as the Xbox One, so this isn't surprising(in terms of memory allocation).
LiquidMetal14
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If we can't see a mans pants warping as one rips ass then I see this as a huge oversight. We need that havoc powered flatulence and speedtree powered pube tech!
JonathanPower
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Again, you don't need to constantly load 176GB/sec. of data every single frame. Thus, the more RAM you have, the more data you can cache on it.
Lets just leave it at you have no figure how much impact the move engines and Esram will have for the entire pipeline, so unless you have an accurate number, its not fair to apply math and purposely leave out elements that in your opinion do not matter when in fact they do.
Interesting.
I'm curious, as I've been, to how reliable Digital Foundry's sources are. Certainly they have a great deal of trust in their sources running the article as fact, but those sources in which they trusted, be them separate from today's "new source," told them different yesterday. Who's to say the new one is right today?
Then there's some conflicting information from at least one inside source "from a dev at one of the biggest in the industry" yesterday, which, besides one different element, agreed with the initial story that 4.5 gigabytes are guaranteed, 1 gigabyte is developer reserve, the OS uses 1.5 gigabytes, and that another gigabyte is OS reserve.
And of course, then there's folks like Filopilo (1, 2, 3) claiming the initial story was "all wrong." Or Verendus also saying it was wrong.
Anyhow, I wonder why Sony won't come out with specific numbers, but will clarify the differences between types of memory systems. While I certainly don't see the story as negative, there are clearly a number of people that do. People who are acting like it's confirmed, regardless of if it's rumor. So if those numbers from the Digital Foundry are accurate, might as well come out and say it. And if not, might as well calm the storm a bit with the correct numbers.
Happy Saturday, everyone! =)
This might be an accurate answer.
LOL First time I've seen a Eugene reaction image.
I imagine it will be the same as the Vita, so like a PC, there will be a base OS cost, but also space that is free to apps to run while you are gaming too. The Vita for instance lets you run a browser and some other bits and bobs while gaming, the PS4 will have to do this too but much more fully featured programs. Though that isn't going to take up 3gb of space unless, I dunno, they want to run Home at the same time too, lol.
Or we can just leave it at GDDR5>DDR3+eSRAM. Boom! We're done here.
Chocolate & Vanilla
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So as Bish has verified filopilo's authenticity, can we assume that DF are wrong on the numbers now?
BruceLeeRoy
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So do Devs as several have already commented outside of this thread.
DC1
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I agree.
Secret sauce confirmed then?
Yes. The other information about the "flex" memory has been verified by Sony.
LiquidMetal14
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I hearken to George Carlin's bigger dick theory, they they have bigger dicks, bomb them!
fastford58
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I'm rather enjoying the meltdowns. I suspect the most crazy posts are going to come from people skipping the OP anyway, so it may not do any good.
This whole story is so much confusing.
At first DF releases this article, then they are updating it and saying those nombers were slightly wrong and then some insiders say those numbers are true, then Sony clearifies how the Ram flex thing between OS and game works and then insiders say those numbers are wrong.
What's next?
At first DF releases this article, then they are updating it and saying those nombers were slightly wrong and then some insiders say those numbers are true, then Sony clearifies how the Ram flex thing between OS and game works and then insiders say those numbers are wrong.
What's next?
3 People in a Box: The Official Game of the Movie
Someone give someone some side secret account so we can get actual details instead of DF nonsense, and so end this charade.
Yea they are not going to confirm or deny the numbers because that could still change.
Pound_lb003
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No, we can assume that there is conflicting reports though.
I don't doubt Eurogamer have THAT documentation. I don't doubt that they're talking to developers with that documentation.
That doesn't mean that either filopilo or EG is wrong. It's more a question of who's information is more recent.
What if there aren't fixed numbers yet? Maybe Sony doesn't want to commit to an specific ratio right now because it's not yet set in stone.
The is probably the reality
Chance Hale
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It's a shame digital foundry is really the only thing of its type on the big gaming websites given their analysis is often vague and simple in regards to the technology used in games or flat out incorrect at times.
This whole thing is a giant mess though, so confused as to what is going on.
This whole thing is a giant mess though, so confused as to what is going on.
Chances are flex memory is right, but the numbers are wrong. The numbers might be old info or may never have been true at all, judging from our new insider.
To be fair, there are a number of circumstances that make the "devs are okay with this" statement complex. Devs are under NDA about these details, meaning if they were unhappy (or at least a bit dubious), I doubt they would be eager to share these concerns with the public.
The other point is that having a large RAM allocation isn't just for what devs can think of at this very moment, but what they may think of 5 years from now. How people think about designing games is dictated in part by their assumptions about what the hardware can do. Right now, there is a generational shift, and new resources are available. There is less a feeling of constraint, I'm guessing. That may be different in the future.
You can't put a number on it. It's physically impossible to calculate unlike the figures I gave you which are simple math. But Esram or move Engines, or ColorBlocks or DMEs or jpeg compression units etc etc are not the secret sauce you guys imply. They are all solutions to help out with a problem (the lack of ddr3 bandwidth). They are not in themselves advantageous and would likely never exist if the bandwidth issue did not either.
So the take-home message is that we are still onboard for a ~ 7GB GDDR5 Last of Us 2 on the PS4.
All that matters for my purchase of this here console machine.
My screenshots are better than their screenshots, their arguments are invalid.
All that matters for my purchase of this here console machine.
My screenshots are better than their screenshots, their arguments are invalid.
CambriaRising
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Did Kojima write the script here? So many plot twists.
basically they dont seem to have committed to anything yet.
What DF is reported could be from a dev kit but the numbers should be the minimum to expect it could increase when Sony/Cerny tells us the RAM numbers if they intend to do that.
1st Course
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Then why can't the insiders here just reval the right numbers and end all this nonsense? Seriously this is getting really annoying.
CouldBeWorse
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I hate it when people do this. Share some details (you don't have to name names) or don't say anything at all.
Simply sharing that you "know something" without saying anything more when you have a captive audience is incredibly annoying.
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