iamshadowlark
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This hyperbole and misinformation is worse than when they announced the ram in the first place. It's a shame that after all the explanations people at large still think ram has anything to do with the power of a console.
Yes it was the thought process for many still it was never fact .
Either way i always thought the PS4 OS would be bigger than 1GB ( 3GB is crazy IMO )
Some Sony fans run with the 7 GB number and now they have egg on the face it happens .
Also it makes no sense saying Sony made people think that since they never gave out numbers the same can be said for PS3 and Vita OS numbers .
CBOAT only knows stuff for MS. The Sony insiders have weighed in and said devs are happy, which is all I care about. I guess I was just thinking in the long term with specs instead of in the short term. More of a concern for me is the CPU reserve than the RAM reserve.I'm a pretty big sony fan, but this sounds crazy to me. Why allocate more than a 3rd of your memory to the OS for a gaming machine. I really hope the numbers don't show 3GB.
You guys who were excited about the 8gb announcement, and then are taking this statement as "well 5gb is still a lot" sound like people who accept 2nd place and say "at least it's not 3rd."
CBOAT where are you.
I'm trying to wrap my head around this too. I think the most likely explanation is that they're going to open up considerably more RAM to devs as time goes on and what they have now probably sufficient for the first year or so of the console's life. Devs probably knew that 3.5GB would cause issues from day one but 5GB may be enough for them for a bit.What bothers me is the story about Boyes who seen a dev and said if you go 4GB your system is dead on arrival. At that time PS4 had 3.5GB dedicated to games and 512MB to OS, what I don't understand is Sony upped the RAM due to feedback from devs but only gave an extra 1GB RAM, and spent the rest of the OS.
From what we have seen, PS4 is weaker in that regard.You have used the multimedia functions of the PS4? Where's your assessment of its capabilities?
No wonder Killzone: Shadow Fall uses "only" 4.5 GB of GDDR 5, it all makes sense now.
Yeah I don't get it. If games were made last gen with 512mb doesn't it mean it will be the same this gen in that devs will be able to do a lot more than the raw specs would lead you to believe given they are dev for closed systems? So given the massive jump from to 512mb to 5gb, won't that still be huge? I thought you can't do a 1:1 comparison of specs between consoles and PC.
Although I plead my ignorance.
C'mon. What am I doing wrong. If you dont understand how it goes, you'll go with what the provider tells you. Sony said we got 8GB in at the last minute. We got you guys!
Its really only 4.5GB until what, 2015? Its always been 4.5GB and NDA's have prevented anyone from saying anything. The entire internet looks like a dickhead.
We were told closer to 8 when it never really was.
Edit: How do you go from Gamer's machine, no fluff. To, well we gotta allocate resources for non gaming functions to keep up with Xbox. If GAF can mock MS for PR double talk. Sony should face the same sting.
What bothers me is the story about Boyes who seen a dev and said if you go 4GB your system is dead on arrival. At that time PS4 had 3.5GB dedicated to games and 512MB to OS, what I don't understand is Sony upped the RAM due to feedback from devs but only gave an extra 1GB RAM, and spent the rest of the OS.
Also, I must be behind on my memes, but what is the below in reference to? A previous post on GAF, or elsewhere on the internet? Anyone have a link to the original?
Witness use 5 GB. Witness is a better game confirmed?
PS4 | 8GB GDDR5 at 176GB/s (5.5GB available to devs) 512mb of that swap space, paged to the HDD.
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"Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.
5 year generation? Nah, we're looking at a generation that's as long or longer than this one.
Take development time into consideration for big AAA titles, 2 years+ for most means developers won't be at all happy with a 5 year cycle. 10-12 years is a reasonable estimate for how gen 8 will last in my opinion.
I'm a pretty big sony fan, but this sounds crazy to me. Why allocate more than a 3rd of your memory to the OS for a gaming machine. I really hope the numbers don't show 3GB.
You guys who were excited about the 8gb announcement, and then are taking this statement as "well 5gb is still a lot" sound like people who accept 2nd place and say "at least it's not 3rd."
CBOAT where are you.
lol yup
Now everyone wants to say stupid shit like
"4.5gb is still a lot of memory"
"the ps3 only had 256mb"
Sony fanboys are funny people.
What bothers me is the story about Boyes who seen a dev and said if you go 4GB your system is dead on arrival. At that time PS4 had 3.5GB dedicated to games and 512MB to OS, what I don't understand is Sony upped the RAM due to feedback from devs but only gave an extra 1GB RAM, and spent the rest of the OS.
Can't wait for a Cerny video to surface some time in the coming months which beautifully wraps up and explains how memory works in game consoles. The amount of ignorance and unintelligent speculation in this thread is Carnival of Stupid matching.
Difference between Sony and MS part 2:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560587
Such a different tone in that thread. 5 pages long lol. This thread already is 4 times larger in half a day. Someday we need to sit down and talk about why Sony news is always a circus act in comparison to other consoles.
I still can't believe people cancelled their preorders. Am I disappointed? Yes, but that's because I don't really care about advanced OS features outside of the footage recording (I still have no idea why cross game chat and party chat are a big deal). I'm sure the results will be more than fine but I was hoping for fast load times and lots of dynamic interactivity and this RAM configuration will allow for less of that than I hoped. Oh well. Nothing I can do about it.
From what we have seen, PS4 is weaker in that regard.
From what we have seen, PS4 is weaker in that regard.
What bothers me is the story about Boyes who seen a dev and said if you go 4GB your system is dead on arrival. At that time PS4 had 3.5GB dedicated to games and 512MB to OS, what I don't understand is Sony upped the RAM due to feedback from devs but only gave an extra 1GB RAM, and spent the rest of the OS.
I'm not saying that.
I never said weaker than Microsoft's. I said weaker than we thought it was previously, which it is. Relax.
Not every developer is Naughty Dog. That's like saying "Hercules can throw a whale into the sun. Clearly all humans are just as powerful!"
Naughty Dog runs on some sort of crazy necromantic magic to get the results they do, and even then, it could not be a BAD THING to give them more power to play around with.
When did I say I was never buying a PS4? It's the only next-gen system I CAN buy at this rate, if Sony ever wises up and announces some worthwhile games for the damn thing.
awesome post btw, thank you for clarifying. so is that space swap there to alleviate bottlenecks in swapping memory out?
You never got 8GB of RAM if you're going to think like that, sorry to tell you. After your efforts if the cloud thread, you should try to understand tech before getting angry over nothing.
OS may need more RAM in the future when the figure out of a special case for it. Technology moves fast in 7 years and consoles can't add or remove parts like a PC.
Not every developer is Naughty Dog. That's like saying "Hercules can throw a whale into the sun. Clearly all humans are just as powerful!"
Naughty Dog runs on some sort of crazy necromantic magic to get the results they do, and even then, it could not be a BAD THING to give them more power to play around with.
Okay people who understand these things, what are they talking about? And what are the advantages/disadvantages?
Their silence is deafening.
On a more serious note, it's the weekend. Expect them to issue a statement on Monday, if they feel the need to reply to this.
no people assume 7 because when it had 4gb only .5 was for the OS, so when they doubled it, people doubled the .5
Why would anyone praise Sony for making a weaker system, especially one with even less of an advantage when it comes to multiplatform games than it had before? Developers CANNOT have been complaining about a missing 1GB of RAM. It makes no sense for Sony to make a huge deal about doubling the PS4's RAM, then turn around and only make 1GB of that actually usable. They got scared by Microsoft's 'goods and services' model and now we're paying for it with a weaker console.
Problem is: Sony didn't want to reply and clearify the official Ram amounts that are used for gaming or reserved by the OS.
If they had let's say 6GB for gaming and 2GB for the rest then they'd immidiately try to debunk this rumour because it created alot of heat in here.
Why should they openly admit something which got mainly recieved bad over the internt (or just gaf, dunno lol).
I say, and please don't hate me for it, that this statement is already a confirmation for this whole story (atleast when speaking of numbers).
Fact is: That 5GB are way enough to create awesome games. Can you imagine what future titles from Bethesda, Naughty Dog, Remedy, Crytek, CD Project, Bungie, Rockstar Games and so many more awesome game studios will look like?
You've been told...by who ? Who told you that devs would have 7-8 GB for games ? Sony never told anything like that nor said something coroborating this.
Sony said that the PS4 would be equiped with 8 GB GDDR5 ram. Have they lied ? NO
People are to blame THEMSELVES for reacting like this
Has any dev complain about the memory available for their games ? Is there a videogame out there using more than 5 GB of ram ON ITS OWN ?
Unreal. It now goes from a max of 5.5 for game to 5. Things keep getting worse.