I want to say Ultimate Warrior is, because everyone remembers him but his matches were complete fucking dog shit and his promos never made any kind of sense. But HHH might take the crown of most overrated when you factor in all of the revisionist history put in place to make HHH look like he was some big superstar in the industry, when in fact he was a B-tier star during the Attitude Era, only got the main event scene once the bigger stars all left, and his main event run actively killed mainstream interest in the product.
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I want to say Ultimate Warrior is, because everyone remembers him but his matches were complete fucking dog shit and his promos never made any kind of sense. But HHH might take the crown of most overrated when you factor in all of the revisionist history put in place to make HHH look like he was some big superstar in the industry, when in fact he was a B-tier star during the Attitude Era, only got the main event scene once the bigger stars all left, and his main event run actively killed mainstream interest in the product.
Sting, warrior, Luger, baba, great Kabuki, etc
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
Yes. HHH managed to get into the main event scene with enough all time greats that he has convinced himself he is one of them. He's not. I will always give him props though, I love his look and the Pedigree is a great finisher.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
It's funny how about five years ago most people were all 'fuck Triple H he's ruined wrestling' but now with NXT it's all about how he will be the savior of the WWE.
Make up your minds!
Make up your minds!
Sir_Crocodile
Member
He's only overrated by the wwf as part of their company "History" (or "Mythology" I guess it should be).
He was good from the 2000 rumble till he tore his quad.
slightconfuse
Banned
Remember when DX invaded nitro??
IT CHANGED THE WAR!!!!!!
IT CHANGED THE WAR!!!!!!
Yeah, these are two things I'll never deny HHH has. His look is pretty fantastic and the Pedigree is a really good finishing move.
It's possible to separate HHH the wrestler from HHH the fantasy wrestling booker. HHH is usually a pretty great mind for the business when he subtracts himself from the picture*.
* Well except for that one time in Montreal
In the Meltzer definition of push related to talent, that would be none other than good old Double J.
Dam how did I forget ladders
Jeff Jarrett isn't overrated because the only person who thinks that Jeff Jarrett is a legend is Jeff Jarrett
oh i dont know. double j and triple h are around the exact same level for promos and wrestling ability. the only thing triple h has is that he's bigger.
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Kanemaru is pretty good. El Despy is decent. Taka is a far cry from where he was but he's still okay. Archer and Smith aren't great on their own but make a decent team.
It's really just Iizuka and Taichi.
Nocturnowl
Member
Triple H is pretty good, that's my hot take.
spindashing
Banned
Oh, damn... RIP to him.
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
HHH is way better than Jarrett. My main beef with HHH is he seems to get ranked like along side Foley, Rock, Austin, HBK, and Taker. HHH is pretty good, he's just not really on par with the people he feuded with. JJ is just awful.
I always say that they're on the same level. Along with Shane Douglas. >_>
Is Edge in your fav 5 yet?
Kanemaru is boring boring boring. Despy is probably good but needs to leave SZG. Taka is fine, I'll agree there. Archer and Smith I flip flop on a lot. Sometimes they are a great mean heel team and other times they are corny and boring as hell.
I think I'm just burnt out from NOAH 2015/2016 SZG tbh
avengers23
Banned
RIP ROH Archive
TarpitCarnivore
Member
I think this is a good sum of and what I was thinking. I know JJ is garbage, but HHH got a lot more title runs and control than JJ ever did. He just really seems to be the very definition of overrated corporate yes man who got the pushes.
Regarding NXT, even if you disassociate HHH the wrestler and HHH the corporate guy, I still think overall this sub is iffy on what he's done in NXT. A lot of people here have pointed out it's been shaky since Dusty left and I think you can argue since HHH has tried to make it a bigger brand than what it is it's been less than stellar. I know i know, the roster split didn't help, but its a kidn of poor excuse. HHH should have known that was coming and have been better prepared, but he wasn't.
Steve Blackman
W-T-F
""I WILL RIDE THE GOLDEN CHARIOT OF DESTINY INTO THE SCORCHING FLAMES OF THE NETHERREALM TO CAPTURE THE SWORD OF DESTRUCTION AS I DEVOUR THE SOULS OF 18 AND A HALF POSSESSED MONKEYS ON MY QUEST TO RIDE THROUGH PARTS UNKNOWN CARRYING THE HEAD OF THE CHOSEN PEACOCK OF LIFE AND ALL ETERNITY"
If this is not a good promo I don't know what it is.
Honestly, I don't care much if Warrior (or Hogan) were not a beauty to watch in the ring. I think (me) that is most important to get a reaction from the public and Warrior did as few other.
BTW, I loved that second wind Warrior and Hogan used to do, did anyone try to use that gimmick after them?
Didn't talk about the brand split start only like a month or two before it actually happened? I remember that being a surprisingly rushed thing. I don't think there's any way you can prepare to have your roster gouged out like that without pushing some too-green talents
avengers23
Banned
It's disappointment after disappointment with you
I actually think Edge is pretty alright in '06. He and Lita are a good heel package. He's grown into a pretty good look. No complaints, but I don't think he's a huge star or anything.
I'd rather watch a Jeff Jarrett match than any HHH match since 2000. I haven't seen JJ since WCW ended though. Maybe he got bad after that. He had great matches against Razor and Shawn. I'd rather watch them than any HHH match even from 2000.
Umm, no, they were clearly planning the brand split as soon as they announced they were moving Smackdown to Tuesdays live and brought in Mauro. That was about a year out.
Yeah it's just an adapted version of fighting spirit spots from Japan which are becoming very vogue on the indies right now.
Dunno if they've snuck their way into WWE matches in any explicit way where someone just pops up immediately from a big move. Maybe when Cena was doing the frog splash > kickout > AA thing?
A GWF show happening this weekend is, unfortunately, looking a touch unlikely at the moment. Wednesday ended up being a stressful day of work so by the time I got home I was drained and just didn't have the incentive to boot up 2k17. Yesterday I bought my new 4K TV and setting up that, the stand for it, and rearranging a bunch of shit in my apartment took literally all night.
I'm going to try to muscle through the final CAWs tonight, but the first GWF show might be pushed into mid-next week.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Fair point. I can admit Kanemaru is definitely quite generic especially compared to other jrs since he doesn't do a lot of the flippy shit and isn't as fast, it's mostly due to his loyalty that he's been able to rack up the career he has had. Still, him coming into NJPW does open the door for several huge matches in the BOSJ, plus the appeal of him going after the one Jr. title he's never been able to win. He, like Taka, bring a veteran presence to the Jr. division which really needed it.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
What does any of that mean? It looks like a bunch of nonsense
avengers23
Banned
Do as Sir_Crocodile says!
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
out of all the things wrestling has gimmicked why can't light tubes be one of them?!
Great answer
The crowd of 25 don't even react to that awful Lego spot. So dumb.
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
Best:
Barbed wire 2x4
Thumbtacks
Chair
Bedpan
Worst:
Sledgehammer
Garbage Can
Street Signs