Not all men in this industry harass women. Most of the harassers in this industry are men.
Can we just move on, if you don't like women only events then ignore them. You aren't being excluded, there are plenty of things women don't want to go to. So let us have our own thing.
What is the definition of Harassment here. If you count all the 12 year olds who think its cool to tell me that they humped my mom because they lost in smash bros then its not fair. We are never going to change that most children cannot control themselves or dont know what is right and what is wrong.
Can't have that, men have to included in everything ever
What is the definition of Harassment here. If you count all the 12 year olds who think its cool to tell me that they humped my mom because they lost in smash bros then its not fair. We are never going to change that most children cannot control themselves or dont know what is right and what is wrong.
What is the definition of Harassment here. If you count all the 12 year olds who think its cool to tell me that they humped my mom because they lost in smash bros then its not fair. We are never going to change that most children cannot control themselves or dont know what is right and what is wrong.
It's seemingly built into people now to care what anyone thinks of them. Why in the hell anyone care if someone calls them a derogatory term on the internet? Those people will never meet them, they don't put food on the table and are generally pathetic individuals. Why should their words matter if they don't contribute in any way to our lives?It's still called harassment. Doesn't matter if you care or not it's still unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. People have committed suicide over online harassment. Should we then sit here and debate how they " shouldn't have cared " or perhaps you'd like to talk about how they were overly sensitive
What is the definition of Harassment here. If you count all the 12 year olds who think its cool to tell me that they humped my mom because they lost in smash bros then its not fair. We are never going to change that most children cannot control themselves or dont know what is right and what is wrong.
You give a whole gender the burden of something only a few do?
We're talking about grown ass men who threatened to "dress up like trannies to get in, thatll show em!". We're talking about grown as men who make 300k a year making youtube videos to demean, slur, and arrange the harrasment of Anita Sarkessian, we're talking about grown ass men who can't play even one overwatch match with a female without telling them to get back in the kitchen. We're talking grown ass men who are the reasons that they have to put signs up at conventions that say "please don't touch the cosplayers."What is the definition of Harassment here. If you count all the 12 year olds who think its cool to tell me that they humped my mom because they lost in smash bros then its not fair. We are never going to change that most children cannot control themselves or dont know what is right and what is wrong.
You use male as a insult here. From here on you are not even trying anymore.
You want to tell me that no women ever tried to flirt or touch a "hot mans ass"? Hmm
Don't know what to answer you. I never disrespected or harassed anyone nor do I plan to do so.
Not by acting like we are inequal and do events for men or women only.
Lol what a moronWe're talking about grown ass men who threatened to "dress up like trannies to get in, thatll show em!". We're talking about grown as men who make 300k a year making youtube videos to demean, slur, and arrange the harrasment of Anita Sarkessian, we're talking about grown ass men who can't play even one overwatch match with a female without telling them to get back in the kitchen. We're talking grown ass men who are the reasons that they have to put signs up at conventions that say "please don't touch the cosplayers."
This "it's just 12 year olds" nonsense is bogus, and everyone knows it.
You give a whole gender the burden of something only a few do?
hmm, why excluding males from the event? Neither do I understand why there are female only Gyms.
You call policing others and being an ally a "burden" because it's something only a few do.
What are you going to do about it aside from telling women they need to stop hanging with themselves and need to put themselves back into hostile environments?
We're talking about grown ass men who threatened to "dress up like trannies to get in, thatll show em!". We're talking about grown as men who make 300k a year making youtube videos to demean, slur, and arrange the harrasment of Anita Sarkessian, we're talking about grown ass men who can't play even one overwatch match with a female without telling them to get back in the kitchen. We're talking grown ass men who are the reasons that they have to put signs up at conventions that say "please don't touch the cosplayers."
This "it's just 12 year olds" nonsense is bogus, and everyone knows it.
Yeah so now having a female-only event is a good thing and having it cancelled is a bad thing.
Seriously Gaf. Get your shit together. How would have people react to a man-only event?
And I don't care it's been cancelled because of harassment. Such an event should not even exist in the first place. And for a board that was so quick to jump on that gamergate thing and keep on referring to it, I'm quite surprised I'm the only one noticing the double-standard.
Safe space and worrying of being harassed are things that shouldn't happen and neither of them is fixed by excluding them (or men) while it also aggravates the problem.
To be honest, I am not really offended by the fact that there are these events. What I dont really like is the fact that people want equality but yet organize these events. Thats not equal and lets assume I would live nearby this event and would like to go there but couldnt.
You want to tell me that no women ever tried to flirt or touch a "hot mans ass"? Hmm
Not by acting like we are inequal and do events for men or women only.
It's BS. Women should be allowed to play any event and not get harassed or anything. A women only event is just as bad.
It leads to discimination. That's why feminism is just as bad as harassing women in the gaming industry. Feminism is not about equality anymore.
WHITE KNIGHTS ASSSSEEEEMMBLE!
I understand disagreeing with the event. I think it's a pretty dumb idea too.
acting elitist about post count..
this is a very similar mind frame to the sexist people, no offense but maybe work on your process if you want to be taken seriously.
More like piracy, you can't steal something that is intangible.
hmm, why excluding males from the event? Neither do I understand why there are female only Gyms.
Lol what a moron
It's always a junior*
Jesus Christ... these threads never fail to attract certain type of poster. And its almost always a junior.
Unfortunately that's not true at all. This thread is full of nastiness toward people based on their race and gender ("evil white men"), and that's seen as perfectly acceptable.
What a shit post.Lol what a moron
Lol what a moron
It's seemingly built into people now to care what anyone thinks of them. Why in the hell anyone care if someone calls them a derogatory term on the internet? Those people will never meet them, they don't put food on the table and are generally pathetic individuals. Why should their words matter if they don't contribute in any way to our lives?
If no one else on here has the mentality of 'fuck 'em, they don't know me', then I truly worry for the future of this world.
Extreme example: So its my responsibilty or my burden when most murder has been done by men? Sure, you have my support in fighting inequality but not like this.
Extreme example: So its my responsibilty or my burden when most murder has been done by men? Sure, you have my support in fighting inequality but not like this.
I dont have the right to tell anyone what they should do.
I wonder how many people criticizing this event were aware of this one and similarly complained
http://kotaku.com/5824084/well-thats-one-way-to-combat-misogyny-in-gaming
I'd like to point out that no one, more than likely, would raise a fuss if it was an all girls/women event. There's a lot of hypocrisy and double standard in the world of sexism.
Extreme example: So its my responsibilty or my burden when most murder has been done by men? Sure, you have my support in fighting inequality but not like this.
I dont have the right to tell anyone what they should do. I also noted several times that its not the event that angers people. Its the double standards.
I read the comments
I'd like to point out that no one, more than likely, would raise a fuss if it was an all girls/women event. There's a lot of hypocrisy and double standard in the world of sexism.
Extreme example: So its my responsibilty or my burden when most murder has been done by men? Sure, you have my support in fighting inequality but not like this.
I dont have the right to tell anyone what they should do. I also noted several times that its not the event that angers people.Its the double standards.
It's seemingly built into people now to care what anyone thinks of them. Why in the hell anyone care if someone calls them a derogatory term on the internet? Those people will never meet them, they don't put food on the table and are generally pathetic individuals. Why should their words matter if they don't contribute in any way to our lives?
If no one else on here has the mentality of 'fuck 'em, they don't know me', then I truly worry for the future of this world.
It's so obvious that he has no knowledge on feminism other than reguritating things he sees in youtube videos. And I bet he calls other people sheeple.Don't act like you weren't saying problematic things in this thread a few pages back.
Yeah was about to point out the same thing.I read the comments
YES IT'S YOUR BURDEN TO STOP THE MURDER
WHATEVER GENDER YOU ARE
I'm sorry that your gender causes you to empathize so much with the murderers, but Christ, get over it and put a stop to the horseshit. Then maybe people will stop "generalizing" men or whatever else it is that you're so terrified of happening.
It's the responsibility of non-murderers to help the police locate murderers.
It's the responsibility of good men to police shitty men when they are harassing women.
To take on the civic and social duties of making your communities better is not a fucking admission of guilt.
So you're going to do nothing.
Women will surely feel better with people like you at the forefront of this fight.
Extreme example: So its my responsibilty or my burden when most murder has been done by men? Sure, you have my support in fighting inequality but not like this.
I dont have the right to tell anyone what they should do. I also noted several times that its not the event that angers people. Its the double standards. And to answer your question: I plan to keep treating people equal, regardless of how they look like, what their religion is, what skin color they have, what gender they belong to.
What do you want me to do? Run around with a sign "Please stop harassing women"? After reading the posts here I am really not sure if the problem is Women beeing harassed anymore.
*sigh* Its like you do it on purpose that you ignore the fact that the equivalent wouldnt be to not care about murder. The equivalent would be to exclude every white male from events with the reason that a few have done murder.... I never said that I would just stand there and watch people getting harassed, in fact I said and already did the opposite.
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What do you want me to do? Run around with a sign "Please stop harassing women"?
After reading the posts here I am really not sure if the problem is Women beeing harassed anymore.
Yes? Like men committ the most assaults and murder. We as a group need to get better through, education, support and setting examples.
After reading the posts here I am really not sure if the problem is Women beeing harassed anymore.
Exactly and thats also the case here. Finally I feel like someone understands me here. To take your solution in our case here is to educate people and not exclude them.
Having strict rules and security will do the rest. Now we have an event everyone can attend and connect with other people. Someone does not behave? -> Well, bye bye.
Jesus H. Fucking Christ.
Someone does not behave? -> Well, bye bye.
Exactly and thats also the case here. Finally I feel like someone understands me here. To take your solution in our case here is to educate people and not exclude them.
Having strict rules and security will do the rest. Now we have an event everyone can attend and connect with other people. Someone does not behave? -> Well, bye bye.
Baby steps. His entire perspective-- EDIT:that white males don't deserve to be criticizedthat women are on the same playing field as men in terms of harassment-- is being bombarded right now.
One of two things could happen from this. And he hasn't run off and sought reaffirmation for his pre-existing beliefs yet, so the positive outcome might still be possible.
This is what they try to do. It has never happened.
Okay then buddy what's the real problem
Nah man, the equivalent would be to exclude every white male from events with the reason that a few have done murder, and those few will do tons of murder at every event. Surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.
You're bringing up the "not all men" argument again, it doesn't help.
Edit: And surely you can see that the solution to women being harassed at gaming events isn't to keep women from holding their own harassment free events. It seems like your solution is to ban women-only events and tell them to just put up with the harassment at other events, because you can't stop it.
How do you stop harassment at events? I'm not sure you can, but telling women they can't have their own events free of sexual advances and derogatory comments sure as fuck isn't the answer.
Call me when dudes can't feel safe walking by themselves because their outfit suggests "they're asking for it."You want to tell me that no women ever tried to flirt or touch a "hot mans ass"?
You act like Men and Women are already treated equally. As if this is some affront to a well-tuned balance. Nah, bruh. This shit isn't even close to equal. I guarantee you the women who would attend this con have dealt with infinitely more shit because of their gender than you have.Not by acting like we are inequal and do events for men or women only.
it's not women's job to get men to respect them and not harass them
please say it with me
it's not women's job to get men to respect them and not harass them
not all black and white what happened there. Maybe a little greyscale too from both sides.
not all men is the argument against hate against men because some has done murder
In a perfect world its not necessary to exclude innocent people because they are male, black, muslim or whatever.
Again, you refuse to understand what I said. not all men is the argument against hate against men because some has done murder, not an excuse to just watch and accept what has happened.
I also dont want to ban women only events. I just wanted to make clear that the first step into the equal direction is not to be inequal. In a perfect world its not necessary to exclude innocent people because they are male, black, muslim or whatever.
but why won't they listen to both sides & hear what they have to say? maybe they could both learn something & finally come together, unlike this anti-male gatherings that are happening everywhere now. i may be new to this "social group" but if sarcon can take time out from his videos DETROYING feminism (which is not about equality btw) to thoughtfully engage ((((anita)))) then why can't i go to events like this? it sounds to me like these women wanted to have this event canceled for the attention.