Heart_Attack
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There is no reason for AAA third party games to be exclusive to one console unless Sony pays part of the development costs.
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FF7 Rebirth 89% drop in UK week 2 ("higher side of normal"); Unicorn Overlord debuts at #7 (60% sales on Switch); WWE #1
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Same ol G
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Unknown Soldier
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Were you not around when FFXVI was released? There's a certain group of people who openly want every PS exclusive have to fail to feed their hatred for Sony
GHG
Member
Please stop spreading lies, the game is definitely not free
It was if you pre-ordered rebirth.
PSA: pre-order Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, get Remake Intergrade for free
The must-play first chapter of Square Enix’s remastered RPG is free when you pre-order the new entry
www.polygon.com
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The thing with Rise of the Tomb Raider is that TR was also associated with PS and they got cut out of it, hence the lower than expected sales. Probably SE asked a lot from MS.
The thing with FF now is that the demographics are mainly on PS consoles, so even if Xbox got cut out of FF, it's not a major blow to them if they're compensated enough.
Plus really, the demographics of FF are on PS, PC, and Switch, not Xbox.
Sometimes I feel like people are way overestimating Xbox's popularity wherein reality, it's not popular.
Same ol G
Member
That doesn't change the fact that the game is not free.It was if you pre-ordered rebirth.
PSA: pre-order Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, get Remake Intergrade for free
The must-play first chapter of Square Enix’s remastered RPG is free when you pre-order the new entry
That was a preorder bonus and is not available anymore, everybody now looking to buy the game will be paying full price.
GHG
Member
The point was that there is the possibility that there may have been an outsized number of digital pre-orders for the game.
It's a vocal minority. So much so that their very own platform doesn't see them as a sufficient and sustainable audience moving forward.
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kikii
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most of ppl who wanted that game pre-ordered it UwUUU
Aenima
Member
Didnt knew the price raised after the pre-order period, thats when i checked the prices and it was indeed free. So now its still 20€ cheaper than buying both games separately.
Please stop spreading lies, the game is definitely not free
Edited my original post, so no more lies detected
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Woopah
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Agreed. It's not a reflection of the game's quality.
SidViscous
Member
I hope Rebirth is selling a fuckton digitally, it’s such a fantastic game, it’ll break my heart if the third and final title has its budget slashed
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Tomb Raider was associated with PlayStation because Sony signed a deal to make it exclusive. So it was very silly for people to be salty that an exclusive deal was now keeping it off PlayStation. It’s silly to get salty about any deal. If you aren’t a fan of the deal, don’t buy the game or buy it down the line when the deal ends.
Tomb Raider was also the last time Xbox got any huge third party deal that I can think of, and Nintendo typically funds the games they snag as exclusives, so idk why people are trying to play victim like PlayStation gets persecuted for doing the same thing the others do.
Knightsoftheround
Neo Member
When are people going to learn that UK physical sales mean absolutely nothing. The country is like 60 percent digital overall.
It's no 2 best selling playstation downloads for Feb and it was out for one day. With the positive word of mouth it's getting I'm pretty sure it will sell ok
It's no 2 best selling playstation downloads for Feb and it was out for one day. With the positive word of mouth it's getting I'm pretty sure it will sell ok
Mibu no ookami
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When you have a massive amount of games on the market and your franchise alienates a large swath of core consumers, there can be no surprise when a new iteration of that game doesn't perform all that well...
I'll buy FF7 Rebirth eventually and I hope I'll enjoy it, but do I need to buy it now and pay 70 bucks for it? No, I don't. I'll enjoy it just as much for 40-50 dollars in 3-6 months. Or even wait 2 years for it to drop on PS+ if my PS+ subscription goes that far.
Backward compatibility especially with enhancements simply means that the backlog within a catalog continues to grow massively.
Even if a game is a 90 at 70 dollars it has to compete with 90s that someone hasn't played yet that are free, 30-40-50 dollars.
So you have to make the case that a game HAS to be played at launch. It's not like the theater experience vs home video. It's the exact same experience, but if you wait a year to play a game it'll be cheaper, have fewer bugs, and might have additional DLC/content. With the PS5 Pro, it might perform significantly better...
Everything the game industry has done from subscription services, to dlc, to releasing buggy games, to releasing mid gen hardware, to remakes/remasters tells you to wait to play games later.
Was Cyberpunk better to play in 2020 or today? Only physical media I've purchased in the last 7+ years because it was on sale at best buy for 10 dollars because they were desperate to get rid of the physical copies. Haven't even opened the case.
I got Horizon Forbidden West for free with PS+ and I haven't even installed it.
I just got Sifu for free as well as Plague Tale Requiem. I bought Stardew Valley for 15 dollars.
I've got HOURS of gaming on my plate, what has Square Enix done to entice me to play FF7 rebirth TODAY? They made my favorite RPG franchise into an action game.
I only buy a few games day 1 and at least half the time I regret it. Not necessarily because the game is bad but because I could have waited, bought it for cheaper and in better condition.
Launch is the WORST time to play a game.
I'll buy FF7 Rebirth eventually and I hope I'll enjoy it, but do I need to buy it now and pay 70 bucks for it? No, I don't. I'll enjoy it just as much for 40-50 dollars in 3-6 months. Or even wait 2 years for it to drop on PS+ if my PS+ subscription goes that far.
Backward compatibility especially with enhancements simply means that the backlog within a catalog continues to grow massively.
Even if a game is a 90 at 70 dollars it has to compete with 90s that someone hasn't played yet that are free, 30-40-50 dollars.
So you have to make the case that a game HAS to be played at launch. It's not like the theater experience vs home video. It's the exact same experience, but if you wait a year to play a game it'll be cheaper, have fewer bugs, and might have additional DLC/content. With the PS5 Pro, it might perform significantly better...
Everything the game industry has done from subscription services, to dlc, to releasing buggy games, to releasing mid gen hardware, to remakes/remasters tells you to wait to play games later.
Was Cyberpunk better to play in 2020 or today? Only physical media I've purchased in the last 7+ years because it was on sale at best buy for 10 dollars because they were desperate to get rid of the physical copies. Haven't even opened the case.
I got Horizon Forbidden West for free with PS+ and I haven't even installed it.
I just got Sifu for free as well as Plague Tale Requiem. I bought Stardew Valley for 15 dollars.
I've got HOURS of gaming on my plate, what has Square Enix done to entice me to play FF7 rebirth TODAY? They made my favorite RPG franchise into an action game.
I only buy a few games day 1 and at least half the time I regret it. Not necessarily because the game is bad but because I could have waited, bought it for cheaper and in better condition.
Launch is the WORST time to play a game.
Remake runs very decently on a Steamdeck and PS4. FFXVI was originally going to be cross-gen.
Of course a down port of Rebirth would work just fine on a Switch 2.
Yeah, let’s not get carried away here
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kiphalfton
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The question is, is WWE 2K24 actually good though. Or just another quick cash grab.
SmokedMeat
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There was a time when Final Fantasy was a big deal. Like a really big deal.
These days it’s going to get wrecked by Sea of Thieves.
These days it’s going to get wrecked by Sea of Thieves.
Mibu no ookami
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They bit the hand that feeds them with Tomb Raider and the franchise has never recovered. A lot of that has happened with Square Enix as well.
These companies don't know that they don't need to just sell games and franchises, but they need to build userbases. The reason why rpgs sold so well on PS1 and even PS2 was that all rpg fans bought those consoles to play RPGs on. Not only did this boost top selling games but it made less known franchises more likely to sell well.
People were salty because they bought a PlayStation and supported a franchise and then suddenly the franchise went to a different system. They were entirely entitled to do so, but people were also entitled not to support the franchise after that, and it's clearly been significantly diminished since then after really hitting a new peak after the reboot.
Mibu no ookami
Member
People are complaining about the performance running on PS5 though...
I think there is a bit of hypocrisy when it comes to the Switch and what the Switch 2 will possibly be.
I don't see anyone out here arguing in favor of games going to PS4/PS4 Pro, yet we'll argue in favor of a diminished port to Switch 2?
Bernardougf
Gold Member
I guess people still overestimate as usual the quality of these FF games ... from XIII to now ... I've played them all and they are high production AAA poor to mediocre games, with XV being an abomination , XVI a plain action game with FF brand slapped into it and VII remake that is not a remake is a continuation/multiverse bullshit with a gameplay that cant decide wtf it wants to be and therefore dont excel in anything.
I didnt play rebirth and dont intend to until is free or very very cheap.
In the meantime I played some AA turnbased jrpgs that are miles better and much more fun to play that these bloated FF main titles.
FF is not good it hasn't been good for a long time and not amount of metacritic scores is going to change that.
SE should stop trying to much to reinvent themselves all the freacking time, and make a FF with a simple hero story turnbased classic jrpg with lower budget and less bloat and see wtf happens. Go back to your roots... and remake/Rebirth are not it.
I didnt play rebirth and dont intend to until is free or very very cheap.
In the meantime I played some AA turnbased jrpgs that are miles better and much more fun to play that these bloated FF main titles.
FF is not good it hasn't been good for a long time and not amount of metacritic scores is going to change that.
SE should stop trying to much to reinvent themselves all the freacking time, and make a FF with a simple hero story turnbased classic jrpg with lower budget and less bloat and see wtf happens. Go back to your roots... and remake/Rebirth are not it.
vaibhavpisal
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Xbox has nothing to do with it. Release it on multiple platforms. Whatever you think is viable.
And since you are Japanese company with a decidedly Japanese fanbase, release a potato Switch version as well. That’s your punishment for loosing out to mobile/ portables in your home country.
ProtoByte
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What? Lol
Don't you think timenhas already proven that FF's nostalgia power isn't as strong as one might think? RE Remakes have more staying power.
Dude, come on. At first and second glance, it looks like standard medieval fantasy. Nice change in visual identity for FF, but clearly not mass appeal.
FF clearly doesn't have that privilege. That's not my decision or yours, that's just how it is.
The artful mincer
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I think FF is in the same position that Resident evil was when RE7 released.
That game didn't do too well out the gate either perhaps because that Franchise was in a rough spot as well.
There was concern then about RE long term sales but with time it ended being one of Capcom best selling games and revitalised the series.
Hopefully FFVII Rebirth has a similar effect with Final Fantasy. I Bloody hope so! The game is magical and I was hoping it's success would get square back on track, I guess we will see!
That game didn't do too well out the gate either perhaps because that Franchise was in a rough spot as well.
There was concern then about RE long term sales but with time it ended being one of Capcom best selling games and revitalised the series.
Hopefully FFVII Rebirth has a similar effect with Final Fantasy. I Bloody hope so! The game is magical and I was hoping it's success would get square back on track, I guess we will see!
People are arguing about the performance mode on PS5. Isn’t the Quality mode quite solid?
There’s no real hypocrisy here. The game has to run 1080p 30fps on a Switch 2 with some visual cutbacks. I’ll be surprised if they don’t have faster I/O than the PS4 and it’ll definitely have a more powerful CPU and more memory bandwidth.
What is for sure is that when the Switch 2 arrives, it’ll immediately become the primary focus for Japanese developers.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Only remake could’ve “hurt” rebirth considering it’s a direct sequel…
But enough with the doom and gloom like I’ve said it’s doing fire on the ps store all around the globe I think there’s no need for concern anymore.
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Mibu no ookami
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I think that's a big assumption. So much will depend on the price and the rate of adoption.
I think most games will continue to be cross-platform so that they work on Switch and Switch 2.
Spyxos
Gold Member
Remake is much older though, and we just had a FF game with 16 a year ago, it might be 2 games too close to each other.
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Edmund
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I'm still waiting for Lost Odyssey.
Edmund
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Ah yes when the Switch 2 arrives, there'll be around 70m + PS5 around but Japanese devs will immediately focus on the Switch 2. You're so full of shit.
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neoism
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lol it sold a shit load on digital.. they just make it soo fucking hard to even get physical day one i had to call 2 walmarts and gamestop didnt open until 12 that day lol didn't the digital version even release 2 hours early on the 28th? the only place i buy digital is steam but why do they fucking make it soo hard to even get a disc... hell i got it on amazon also and it was 2 days late... :/I agree these figures don't look good and could be a bad sign.
But it seems extremely important to bear in mind
The only game we know it lost against in Japan, is the biggest launch in Japan to date. Ofcourse we need to see holds but these are extremely good numbers..
IAmRei
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Depend, its depend on the developer themselves. Remember witcher 3, skyrim, doom? They could if they want it. They just not want it or they dont have any luxury to port it or to develop it in switch platform, or they dont have budget or time for porting to switch.
LordOcidax
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Comparisons with FFXVI aren’t looking good neither.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
FFVII RE barely runs on PS5, it's crazy to think of a Switch port, which is TWO generations behind.
Square themselves said that PS5 hardware was key for development, a small detail some seem to forget. They also explained why there is no PC port from the get-go, this "exclusivity" rant is nonsense. It will come to PC later on, as every other.
Switch and XBOX are out for solid reasons. (hardware/sales)
Same ol G
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Hahaha that's quite funny.Didnt knew the price raised after the pre-order period, thats when i checked the prices and it was indeed free. So now its still 20€ cheaper than buying both games separately.
Edited my original post, so no more lies detected
It was indeed a preorder bonus so everyone who bought it afterwards payed the full price.
Same ol G
Member
If that was your point, i can understand your reasoning.
I don't necessarily agree with that but the only way to know is actual numbers.
I don't believe that digital is significantly higher cause FF7 is already a game for the fanbase and it was only a digital promotion, the fans already bought the first game and don't care for a digital version of the same game.
At least that's what i think, i also believe most FF fans would rather have physical (older generation)
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Mr Moose
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Some people really hate this game, huh?
You need to have played 7 Remake to play Rebirth or you wouldn't know what the fuck is going on. You don't need to do that with 16.
DrFigs
Member
I think it would be hard to pull off on the switch, but also it looks less and less like Square's partnership w/ PS is good for them. so maybe they should be making less graphically intensive games that run on all platforms. I'm just saying in terms of the game they actually made, it's hard for me to believe they'd be able to run it on the switch anyways.
LordOcidax
Member
Is not about hate. Rebirth is supposed to be the big game of 2024 for the PS5, and i pretty sure that Square or Sony (Or the fans of the franchise) didn’t expect lower sales than FFXVI.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Good lord. Put the tinfoil hat away. To think the “green rats” were the sensitive ones.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
But I thought this game would have long legs due to all the positive word of mouth!
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
People like to spin numbers every which way they can. I remember seeing Italy sales numbers for some game. Like, who gives a fuck.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Or good.
FF16 might be the worst FF I have played in 20 years. Meanwhile, FF7 Rebirth might be the best FF I have played in 20 years.