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FF7 Remake looking at FFXIII saga as model for release, possible plot changes
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Icyflamez96
Member
the save point is what makes that image
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
That 30 hours doesn't count as a full game, that $60 is too expensive for a 30 hour game, that the Tales Of games have anywhere similar development cycles to FFXV, that the FFVII remake should be one game or that you think it'll take them ten years to make.
Pick one.
Can it be fanfiction if the guy who wrote the original is responsible? He even said compilation was a lot of what he wanted to include in some way to begin with.
People have to get used to the reality that compilation is apart of FF7 and isn't going anywhere. It doesn't matter if you don't personally like it, they aren't going to not include it. Especially Crisis core stuff.
Of course i'm bias cause i thought Crisis core and AC were pretty good extensions of the mythos, whereas i am happy seeing FFX-3 novel burned and never mentioned again, but who cares
So basically Kitase during FFVII was M Night Shyamalan before he got too powerful for people to say no to?
And now Kitase is powerful...
Shit. Nice knowing you, FFVII. Enjoy your sanity-check-free addons that'll drag you into the abyss.
SneakyStephan
Banned
If they're redoing both the combat and the story then why call it ff7
This just sounds like they're using the ff7 IP to milk it for 3 games (then probably discard it like a used cartridge)
edit: I bet they'll absolutely butcher the original soundtrack as well.
This just sounds like they're using the ff7 IP to milk it for 3 games (then probably discard it like a used cartridge)
edit: I bet they'll absolutely butcher the original soundtrack as well.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I kind of mentioned it before, but what exactly can they actually add in from the compilation that would be of any significance? Basically everything from AC is entirely post FF7, there's nothing to reference there maybe beyond making it more obvious Rufus lived.
And Crisis Core is not Cloud's story, it wouldn't make much sense to reference that beyond better fitting the scenes Nibelheim events/flashbacks to those from CC (I don't even recall the changes there being huge).
Do the other FF7 spinoffs have more significant retcons that would alter the story more?
And Crisis Core is not Cloud's story, it wouldn't make much sense to reference that beyond better fitting the scenes Nibelheim events/flashbacks to those from CC (I don't even recall the changes there being huge).
Do the other FF7 spinoffs have more significant retcons that would alter the story more?
Im saying that ff7 remake should be a single game and no way in hell should that take them 10 years to make. I do not want to spend 60$ a pop on 3 games that only have 30 hours of content. Other companies can make a full rpg in a normal development cycle so why cant square?
Anything involving Genesis.
I think people's contempt of the compillation also has a lot to do with tone and presentation rather than just the content itself. Like how Crisis Core turned Zack into a superhero whereas he was portrayed as a fairly "normal" soldier in FF7. They basically took every aspect of VII and turned it up to eleven.
Well maybe because they look at Mass Effect and say: why can other developers make three games out of a story while we have to cram everthing into one game?
Neoleo2143
Member
Because 30 Hours of actually designed content is extremely expensive given the production values that they're aiming for and the set pieces that they seem to want. It's also 30 hours of content, that's a great amount of stuff if it has some thought put into it.
Not just up to eleven, but a very pop-star magazine eleven.
Obliterator
Member
Correct the article does not explicitly say its 3 games. Just that there are multiple, they are full length, and will be the size of a FFXIII game each.
Could be 2, 3, or 4
If content does not include garbage stories with retconning out the wazoo and terrible new characters, yeah sure.
Oh, and some godawful character design too, courtesy of Nomura. That one might fall under tone and presentation though.
Contempt is the right word. The "Compilation" is an embarrassment, and if it really stems from the "minds" of FF7, it simply shows how important Sakaguchi was.
Before Crisis had some Cloud stuff and gives a hint that he is special amount everyone else when he picks up and weilds a sword.
Did you actually go back and look at FF7 itself? Story wasn't written all that well in the first place, and really had a layer of dimension added onto it i thought, with the compilation.
Except you know, a lot of people also liked Crisis core and AC, and what they added to the lore, so its not an objective thing.
If there are people who dislike the compilation, that's perfectly acceptable. My point is that its just stupid to think that they would not include it in any remake they would ever potentially do, you did it to yourselves thinking otherwise.
It should have been common knowledge.
Of course they will include it, I just hope they keep it to a strict minimum.
My main beef isn't even with CC or AC. AC was just dumb and CC was eh.
I just don't want to see Hojo transform into a being of pure energy and upload himself to the internet.
I don't want to hear a single utterance of the word Deepground and how there's a city under midgar full of super soldiers wearing jockstraps on their faces that can enter the matrix and the negazone.
I don't want Vincent to secretly be an avatar of the planet for when doomsday comes for realsies this time.
I just want the truly heinous parts to be left in the closet.
And by that I mean DoC.
I don't think anyone really wants to mention DoC again anyway honestly. Exploring the mysteries of the world in concept was a great idea, buuut....yeah, i think giving it the DMC2 treatment would be an obvious course of action.
The FF7 compilation shit just reminds me of the Star Wars EU shit. The vast majority of the people into it the movie/game don't give a fuck about it, so why use it?
Of course it'll be present, much to my chagrin, but I'm hoping for it to be as low of a presence as possible even though I really liked Crisis Core overall.
Of course it'll be present, much to my chagrin, but I'm hoping for it to be as low of a presence as possible even though I really liked Crisis Core overall.
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I hope they include the removed Honey Bee Inn scene.
Unknown One
Member
I hated what they did with Zack's death. In FF7 it was suppose to be a sudden dark grim death.
In FF7 CC, it was so melodramatic and cheesy. They sent like hundreds of soldier and a chopper at the guy. That's overkill.
The original scene also fits better with Cloud's unstable mind. He was incoherent before that and then he snapped upon seeing Zack's dead body. It really sells the idea. In CC, he freaking has a conversation with him. That doesn't sell the idea that Cloud was mentally unstable as well as the original scene.
FF7 wasn't Shakespeare by any stretch, but it was simple, fun, and dramatic when it needed to be. In short, it was entertaining and made me care. That's all I really ever ask for.
Exactly this.
What worked perfectly for me in the original just lost its impact and context when elaborated on.
For all its cheese, the original FFVII was full of subtle moments and not just in the larger story beats. I sincerely hope the team have restraint and take note from the Bible of Goldblum - just because they can now add a thousand soldiers and helicopters in a scene doesn't mean they necessarily should.
Some good points. I do think that a 'part 1' could/should end with the first Jenova fight on the boat towards Costa del Sol (or everyone arriving there); by that time the stakes are a bit more raised.
BlackJimmy
Neo Member
I'd be cool having game one be a big "AVALANCHE vs Shinra Inc" game.
Not only can you expand the conflict, but you could develop the rest of AVALANCHE and the general dynamic of the team.
Personally I'd rather the journey to Kalm happen between games 1 and 2, with game 1 ending as they climb down from the highway and game 2 starting with Cloud telling his backstory in Kalm.
You did not beat FFVII while also defeating all the Weapons in 20 hours during your first playthrough lmao.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
Why 30 hours?
They made the comparison to the FF XIII trilogy. I haven't played XIII 2 or Lightening Returns, but XIII was much more than 30 hours.
edotlee
Member
I'm fairly sure SE could pump out FFVII in the same time as a Tales of game... if you want it to have Tales of-type quality. Though, I don't know why anyone would want that.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Good things take time, and don't get me wrong I love Tales of and Star Ocean, but Final Fantasy is another thing entirely and needs the development time and resources. I can wait as long as it takes.
Really looking forward to Midgar in particular.
Really looking forward to Midgar in particular.
I actually really like this split. Even if part one seems short, they can do a lot to build up the members of AVALANCHE.