Dark_castle
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Feels good to return to the good ol' Versus days.
Clearly Square Enix and Nomura believes in the quote, "History always repeats itself."
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Final Fantasy VII Remake shifts to internal dev under Mobius project leader
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Clearly Square Enix and Nomura believes in the quote, "History always repeats itself."
I was gonna be snarky and say, "what could possibly be better than having a man with literally zero experience managing large scale projects take on the most important series Square Enix owns", but actually that's what happened with Yoshi P.
Yup...SE are just stringing PS4 owners along.Feels good to return to the good ol' Versus days.
Yeah, it's a huge "coincidence" that every Final Fantasy had huge production problems since Sakaguchi leave
Beside that, since FF X SE also lost an amazing director (Kitase) and got an okayish (?) producer (Kitase)
ArkhamFantasy
Member
What is the lesson to be learned here exactly? Never outsource video games ever? Ok, so Dragon Quest 11 and Nier Automata were both mistakes?
Haunted
Member
don't announce games too early
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I definitely wont argue with that.
Like Haunted said, one lesson is definitely not to announce games early.
Another - which goes for literally any endeavor - is to lay a solid foundation before building upon it. Time and time again Square makes this mistake. Like, no one could even get a straight answer on how the episodes would be broken up, if the game was real time or turn based, etc. These are things that should be set in stone before you start on a game in earnest, let alone show it to the public. Starting a game, then showing little glimpses and making major changes based on "fan feedback" is a recipe for a rushed and watered down project.
Nothing to do with outsourcing really. Nier Automata and Dragon Quest 11 both follow the rule above - they are confident games that clearly have some sense of developmental direction.
This practice is so frustrating. I have lost every hype I had left for this game. This is not the way to advertise your game, Square.
CaviarMeths
Member
That Kitase and Nomura require oversight or nothing will get done.
eternalcircle
Member
I wonder if Square Enix would ever go the Konami route with Nomura. Guy has some serious time management (and I'm assuming budget) problems with his games.
KZXcellent
Member
Nah, I don't see Square's higher ups being horrible people like Konami.
Watch this come out in 2019, be separated into 2 parts and be cross gen.
DarkLordMalik
Member
I mean they still have Ito working there even though he seemingly does nothing.
KZXcellent
Member
His time will come.
DarkLordMalik
Member
He is not getting younger.
Death Penalty
Member
As much as the waiting pains me, I'd rather a ten year gem than a five year turd.
Somehow others developers are capable of not delivering turds after 5 years of dev time.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Or you'll get a ten year turd still
Death Penalty
Member
Oh yeah, there's definitely no disputing that. But seeing as SE can't seem to and I really like their games, I'll take the wait over the alternative.
Ideally they'd fix what have to be crippling developmental processes and deliver gems in a more reasonable timeframe, but at this point that seems like a when pigs fly proposition.
Nomura hasn't produced a game I haven't liked yet, so he gets the benefit of the doubt from me until then.
Which 5 or 10 year turds have SE released?
FFXV wasn't up to standard because it was rushed out in 4 years (okay to be fair that's a long time, but the first year had a director change).
FFXIV was total rubbish because, among other problems, they rushed that out in 2 years.
They need to take more time, not less. But they need to announce later.
FFXV wasn't up to standard because it was rushed out in 4 years (okay to be fair that's a long time, but the first year had a director change).
FFXIV was total rubbish because, among other problems, they rushed that out in 2 years.
They need to take more time, not less. But they need to announce later.
Both FFXV and FFXIV had a lot of core design decisions that simply don't work. FFXIV's labyrinthine world map and leveling restrictions had nothing to do with development time, they were part of the intended design. FFXV hiding an enormous platforming dungeon in a secret location post-game that puts the other dungeons to shame is also a terrible waste of assets and time management. It had nothing to do with development time (and don't forget that FFXV pushed back its release date).
DeathbyCheerios
Member
The more I hear about the remake the more I think it's going to just plain old suck. It won't recapture the magic and they won't bring back what made it good.
I could be wrong though, although Square has let me down a lot in the last while.
I could be wrong though, although Square has let me down a lot in the last while.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Feels good to return to the good ol' Versus days.
Uncanny.
DarkLordMalik
Member
The secret dungeon was made by one single guy. Not a waste of assets or time management at all.
That hinges on the assumption that Nomura will still be around directing and 'releasing' games
ShadowSoldier89
Member
since I lost interest in this game when they turned it into an action game, I'm enjoying the shitshow.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We might see an episode of the FFVII Remake before Cyberpunk but no way the entire FFVII package comes out before Cyberpunk 2077.
Words to live by even today.
is it just me or did they announce this game waaaaaaay too early.
even by Square Enix standards where they announce games a century before their release, this was way way waaaay too early.
seriously guys, lets just say that only now in history, we all just finished cleaning up after the spread of the black plague.
well, FFVII remake isn't coming out until after the americans declare independence from the british.
that's how long this wait is going to be.
even by Square Enix standards where they announce games a century before their release, this was way way waaaay too early.
seriously guys, lets just say that only now in history, we all just finished cleaning up after the spread of the black plague.
well, FFVII remake isn't coming out until after the americans declare independence from the british.
that's how long this wait is going to be.
AlexFlame116
Member
Well if it releases on PS5 then I feel sorry for people who bought a PS4 just for this game.
It's like when I knew some people who bought a PS3 for Versus and the FFVII Promotional Video cause it obviously was a sneak peak for a game.
It's like when I knew some people who bought a PS3 for Versus and the FFVII Promotional Video cause it obviously was a sneak peak for a game.
If Cyberpunk is 2020 then, yes, Cyberpunk 1st.
DQ battle road and DQX are pretty big tho.
this game needs to be 2019/2020 release. anything before that and we may just get a huge game that feels rushed all the way through and an OST ripped straight from Distant Worlds concerts. Anything later feels like they're either going overkill or they went back to the drawing board somewhere during development - not a good sign.
Death Penalty
Member
That hinges on the assumption that Nomura will still be around directing and 'releasing' games
If he isn't it'll be just one more terrible decision in a string of terrible decisions SE has made.
Though it would be convenient to be able to scratch FF off of the list of franchises I follow religiously, if sad.
I can recall being pretty optimistic about FFVIIR when CC2 were handling it, but now... now I honestly believe it'll never come out.
No one is going to buy a games console for one single game, especially not one that was only announced as releasing first on that console rather than actually being exclusive to it.
No one is going to buy a games console for one single game, especially not one that was only announced as releasing first on that console rather than actually being exclusive to it.
DiipuSurotu
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Sinh_Magnus
Member
I'm glad I replayed the pc version modded last christmas. I have enough time ahead to grow interest for replaying it again.
Oh wow,
Nomura:
Who thought it was ok to give him a such a HUGE game when he already has his hands full with KH3?
Lets Hope It is