Castor Krieg
Banned
Zinga said:
Except they are not - Tanaka is being punished for Wada fucking up and rushing the game.
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Final Fantasy XIV team restructured, PS3 release delayed | FFXI staff swap: Post #108
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Except they are not - Tanaka is being punished for Wada fucking up and rushing the game.
This just in: Akihiko Matsui was the new director of FFXI as of Sept 2010, but since he has been moved to FFXIV, FFXI has another set of new directors! Musical chairs! 
From Sept 2010: http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/1009/topics_all.html
Today: http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/6064/detail.html
From Sept 2010: http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/1009/topics_all.html
Today: http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/6064/detail.html
Castor Krieg
Banned
duckroll said:
I don't really think that in a Japanese company you can just say no to your CEO.
APZonerunner
Member
Isn't it too little too late now? Can an MMO recover from something like this?
Castor Krieg said:
My point is that Wada is the CEO, and Tanaka is the game's producer. The producer's job is a lot more than just making sure a game is done. It involves business coordination for that title, budgeting, PR, communication with the business end of the company (including the CEO), etc. Are you going to suggest that Tanaka has had zero blame whatsoever, and that Wada should have sat back and let him spend as much money and time as possible to do whatever he wants?
BudokaiMR2
Member
duckroll said:
Are you asking this to reasonable people
or to Final Fantasy fans?
Because I'm pretty sure the answer will be different.
I'd argue that if WoW would have been released today in that state against a competitor with the same status as WoW has today, it would not have been the success it is. There's simply a level of polish, content and overall quality that people expect nowadays that may not be entirely fair considering the time WoW has had to evolve but people are not using the WoW launch as a measuring stick against other titles.animlboogy said:
the game is still has a long ways to go, I'm very satisfied with the UI lag fixes, everything is smooth now, the game kept me occupied for about 1 week... yes.. 1 friggin week, until i quit again. The changes to the SP is awful, they have the right direction (to be fair to everyone) but that shit just doesn't scale, imagine doing 100sp per kill, and at R39, you require 65k for next rank, it's the same as Korean grinds where you mass slaughter easy preys. Party play is sorta worthless outside of leve-linking and behest.
The game still has a chance i reckon, but they will have to put 200% of their focus into it.
ps: i was just unbanned!
The game still has a chance i reckon, but they will have to put 200% of their focus into it.
ps: i was just unbanned!
Castor Krieg
Banned
duckroll said:
Ok, fair point. I guess we will have to wait to find out what exactly happened during all these years. Maybe Tanaka will open up a bit after leaving S-E. It's not only FFXIV, S-E has disastrous pipeline this gen for in-house development.
Castor Krieg said:
We will never find out what exactly happened. We still don't know what happened with Matsuno exactly during FFXII, but his official stance is still that he was "sick" and as producer and director on the project the delays and development problems were his responsibility, so he resigned. Now there doesn't seem to be a lot of bad blood between him and S-E either, since he just worked on Tactics Ogre. The real story will probably never be told.
Nose Master
Member
I like how they fire the entire team, rather than the one or two people that made the horrible decision to rush this unfinished mess to market.
So potentially good news for those that are still playing and those that are still interested. Only bad news is another delay for the PS3 release, which I hope will not be too far off that no one will care by that point. As someone who hasn't paid a dime beyond the initial retail price, I really can't complain since the updates have been coming steadily. We'll see if patience will be rewarded in the end.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
Kyoufu said:
Nope.
Stand up and bow:
Final Fantasy - The Spirits Within!
Unknown Soldier
Member
I expect that Tanaka will probably be reunited with Sakaguchi and Matsuno at Mistwalker Studios sometime rather soon now.
It's kind of sad what happened to Tanaka, the guy was like a deer in headlights during the whole launch fiasco. He was told to make a game which wasn't like FFXI, then he was told this is when the game is released whether it's done or not, and then he was given a sword and told to fall on it when the game wasn't done at release. If Squenix was trying to write a blueprint for how to drive senior employees out of the company, they couldn't have done a better job than with Tanaka and FFXIV.
It's kind of sad what happened to Tanaka, the guy was like a deer in headlights during the whole launch fiasco. He was told to make a game which wasn't like FFXI, then he was told this is when the game is released whether it's done or not, and then he was given a sword and told to fall on it when the game wasn't done at release. If Squenix was trying to write a blueprint for how to drive senior employees out of the company, they couldn't have done a better job than with Tanaka and FFXIV.
Castor Krieg
Banned
ichinisan said:
Well Spirits Within failed mostly because it was ahead of its time - both in terms of visual quality (I don't think anything matched it till now) and themes (people didn't expect animated movie to have deep story + typical Japanese animation nonsense). FFXIV is clearly a bad product, probably the worst one made by S-E so far. FFXIII is way better.
Unknown Soldier
Member
duckroll said:
There was a lot of pressure on Matsuno during the long and troubled development of FFXII. For all we know he really did have a nervous breakdown as some sources claimed and was forced to resign before he killed himself with a heart attack from the stress. Remember that at the time of FFXII, Squenix was coming off the resounding success of FFX, Sakaguchi's swan song and his final masterpiece, and the >750,000 players at the time FFXI. The effort to try and live up to Sakaguchi's legacy was probably pretty damn crushing on Matsuno at the time. So maybe he was actually sick.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Castor Krieg said:
One of the biggest problems with The Spirits Within was the story. It was impressively unsuccessful in blending elements from classic Hollywood filmmaking and anime. The story goes that up until 2 months before the film was to premiere the final script had still not been locked down and it was edited a lot to fit the running time it ultimately ran at. Also, the dialogue was pretty bad throughout the film and they went with a classic inconclusive open-ended ending which you see all too often in anime but which was really unsatisfying when attached to the back of what was supposed to be a $200 million Hollywood blockbuster summer event film type of thing.
When you say that people didn't expect deep stories from an animated movie, you're only referring to CG animated movies, right? Cause otherwise I have some movie and tv-series recommendations for youCastor Krieg said:
And really, the story wasn't all that deep, the same SPIRIT OF THE EARTH stuff we had already seen in FFVII. But regardless, throwing away so much money into a movie that barely tied into the brand that was supposed to sell it was kinda dumb.From a commercial standpoint, the current direction could hardly be worse. Whatever your personal opinions on it, your beloved game wasn't going to exist in a couple of years the way the project was going.Londa said:
Edit: I don't think Spirits Within is a bad film, it's just that apart from the technical aspect it fails to distinguish itself at all. It's still a watchable, if nonsensical piece of sci-fi, but there isn't much justification to watch it over other, far better examples.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Bento said:
Yes, that's what I meant.
Zomba13
Member
I still can't believe this is still being complained about. The game sucks for a lot of reasons but this isn't really one of them. Even the big dogs like WoW do this (yay for all the caves and mines looking the same or having an identical layout!). Seriously, I've noticed more copy pasta caves and mines during my WoW playing (pala to 78, druid to 37) than I ever did in FFXIV (beta and first month of retail).hteng said:
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Sometimes I think I'm the only person on planet Earth who's been enjoying this game since it came out. Not that I mind improvements or anything.
Oh well, sorry for Tanaka.
Oh well, sorry for Tanaka.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I wonder what are the chances for a FFXIV character in Dissidia 012 after this?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I don't feel bad at all for Tanaka. He always seemed extremely passionate about FFXI in the past. With XIV it always sounded like he and the rest of the guys just didn't give a shit.
XI's become an infinitely better game throughout its life. XIV can do the same with the right attention put into it.
Does it even have any memorable characters yet? :| So far the story and world seem pretty phoned in compared to XI...though I'm clearly not that far in the main quest line.
Either way, the November update was a pretty remarkable improvement as far as the IMMEDIATE stuff that needed to be fixed. In my opinion it really wasn't worth playing at all up until that point because of the severe UI lag that made it a real headache to enjoy. With two updates this month it's sure to keep getting better rapidly. Hopefully with that, more people can play and enjoy and progress, and see that it's probably not a bad game at all at its core.
XI's become an infinitely better game throughout its life. XIV can do the same with the right attention put into it.
Regulus Tera said:
Does it even have any memorable characters yet? :| So far the story and world seem pretty phoned in compared to XI...though I'm clearly not that far in the main quest line.
Either way, the November update was a pretty remarkable improvement as far as the IMMEDIATE stuff that needed to be fixed. In my opinion it really wasn't worth playing at all up until that point because of the severe UI lag that made it a real headache to enjoy. With two updates this month it's sure to keep getting better rapidly. Hopefully with that, more people can play and enjoy and progress, and see that it's probably not a bad game at all at its core.
Indeed. This is really a huge move, especially for SE, but it's just what was necessary.Awntawn said:
The game is still pretty boring, but I feel somewhat better about it now. Extending the free trial indefinitely was a great choice... now I can wait for them to finish it up without feeling bitter.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
And as far as the UI goes, I think we can expect the new guys in charge to have some pretty good freedom...we already know they plan on implementing an entirely new UI system that will become an option for players. It's been mentioned but they haven't actually shown it off yet so they are probably going to go back and rework it some more. Once it's ready players will be able to choose between the current UI system and the new one. At least, that was according to discussion on the Lodestone last month...things could continue to change.
Forearm Star
Member
" that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked. I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked."
Glad they decided to fix the problem..
Glad they decided to fix the problem..