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Fire Emblem Heroes |OT|Natural Selection Simulator
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Man, that's worse than I expected.. was hoping to maybe find one with a decent IV. Guess I should feel lucky if I even get one lol
Sushen
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Haha, you got me.
Used the 20 orbs I had and got .. nothing. Stupid, stupid Arthur 3*. Barst 4*, wtf. Edrag 4*, I hate you! Oboro 3* ... At least a Titania - but -Spd +Res. I hate this game! (but I love it as well .. not having spent a dime and playing since release granted me the most fun I had with a mobile game ever)
papasmurf1038
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Hmmm, snagged a +HP/ -Res Delthea. Not ideal, but will get the job done I reckon.
Can any Ranged Units learn it? It being Melee only would make some since.
Edit: Looking at Reddit, its not that, since Archers can learn it. Maybe its Physical Damage only? Can Dragons Learn it?
phoenix296
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I'm at 4% with the summer banner sniping only blues and greens getting jack squat. At least I got a Boey for the 40% bonus for Tempest Trials. >_>
CrackPebbles
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-SPD +DEF Sonya.
I'm still happy. It's better than not getting one at all. But jesus I have bad luck with IVs.
I'm still happy. It's better than not getting one at all. But jesus I have bad luck with IVs.
Picked up Mathilda and Leon, and also Titania who has been on my wish list for a while. Excellent!
Slightly clearer read on Cancel Affinity- at CA1, it cancels enemy Affinity skills (Triangle Adept, gem weapons) even if they are benificial to you. So if Mathilda (blue) runs into a red unit with TA, which would normally work in Mathilda's favour, it still cancels the enemy TA effect.
CA2 cancels enemy Affinity skills only if they provide an enemy advantage.
CA3 reverses enemy Affinity skills only if they provide an enemy advantage.
Slightly clearer read on Cancel Affinity- at CA1, it cancels enemy Affinity skills (Triangle Adept, gem weapons) even if they are benificial to you. So if Mathilda (blue) runs into a red unit with TA, which would normally work in Mathilda's favour, it still cancels the enemy TA effect.
CA2 cancels enemy Affinity skills only if they provide an enemy advantage.
CA3 reverses enemy Affinity skills only if they provide an enemy advantage.
So lvl 1 acts as though TA doesn't exist, lvl 2 acts as though TA doesn't exist if it's disadvantageous to you, and lvl 3 cancels out any triangle bonuses if it's disadvantageous to you, right?
It does become much clearer now with CA1 and 2 descriptions available. The only thing left to be verified in practice is raven tomes, do archers and ninjas with CA3 gain +40% against TA raven (i.e. the 20% of raven tomes also gets reversed) or just 0% (i.e. the 20% of raven tomes doesn't get reversed, only TA does)?
Judging by the wording, it should be the former case because raven tomes are still "skills", but no one can be sure until trying it out.
Judging by the wording, it should be the former case because raven tomes are still "skills", but no one can be sure until trying it out.
SenorArdilla
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Thank god. IS isn't completely insane.
SerArthurDayne
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I had my best pull to date, pulled an Ephraim immediately followed by a Delthea. Everything else was junk, but about 30 orbs to get those two, and then 20 orbs pulling for Sonya with no luck.
Great luck countered by bad luck. Delthea's stats are still uncertain, but looking at what people pulled on reddit, I'm thinking I've gotten a -spd, +res, which will probably land her around 31 speed. She isn't going to impress anybody, but she is still automatically my best blue mage who isn't on a horse.
Ephraim is also -spd. But he is already really slow, so he will just get doubled by a few more. He is +atk, which is ideal.
Based on the boon/bane, I doubt either of these guys will be able to make it onto my Arena teams or anything. I'm simultaneously happy and disappointed. I really hate speed banes, but other than my Azura I've had good luck avoiding them in the past until today.
Great luck countered by bad luck. Delthea's stats are still uncertain, but looking at what people pulled on reddit, I'm thinking I've gotten a -spd, +res, which will probably land her around 31 speed. She isn't going to impress anybody, but she is still automatically my best blue mage who isn't on a horse.
Ephraim is also -spd. But he is already really slow, so he will just get doubled by a few more. He is +atk, which is ideal.
Based on the boon/bane, I doubt either of these guys will be able to make it onto my Arena teams or anything. I'm simultaneously happy and disappointed. I really hate speed banes, but other than my Azura I've had good luck avoiding them in the past until today.
Yeah, the restriction seems a bit random, but I guess it gets the job (which is balancing) done?
Was worried about Cancel Affinity for nothing.
Cancel Affinity's description is different in-game, says it negates weapon triangle so it's exactly like I assumed it would be (before reading the description) which was that it would be like playing Fire Emblem Echoes where there is no Weapon Triangle in that game.
Edit: Oh crap, ignore what I said, that's the description for Cancel Affinity 1, not 3.
Cancel Affinity's description is different in-game, says it negates weapon triangle so it's exactly like I assumed it would be (before reading the description) which was that it would be like playing Fire Emblem Echoes where there is no Weapon Triangle in that game.
Edit: Oh crap, ignore what I said, that's the description for Cancel Affinity 1, not 3.
Right on the first two counts, not so sure on the last one- it would depend on the level of the triangle skill being reversed. At this point though, I think we need to play with it a bit and work it out!
Yay free Death Blow 3 or Drive Attack 2.
SenorArdilla
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CA3 reversing TA3 means that it cancels WTA, right?
phoenix296
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I believe so. Essential resolving combat as if both units are colorless.
Sushen
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Nah, I'm definitely keeping her. She's comparably Julia in blue with 59 attack (39+14+6). Unlike my other blue mages, her assistant ability is awesome. I just wish she had at least neutral speed.
Yes, TA3 is a 20% advantage/disadvantage just like the standard WTA, and so they cancel out.
phoenix296
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Someone tested Cancel Affinity with TA1, 2 and 3. Advantages and Disadvantages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DbX3b6Ifbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DbX3b6Ifbo
I just got Mathilda on first roll when I wanted Delthea.
That video causes more questions to appear than it answers.
That video causes more questions to appear than it answers.
dreamlongdead
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Sad to see so many on this page get -SPD on the new mages. It's such a crippling bane for these crippling units. I'm using a -SPD Mae for TT, and I'm witnessing the repercussions of this spread.
Going to skip these two banners, but I have a question.
Is Swift Sparrow 2 good on Bridal Cordelia? I have fodder for this skill, and I would like to avoid spending 20K feathers for L&D3. I have neutral Minerva, but I don't want to sacrifice her. Minerva's strong and has exclusive access to Ward Fliers.
Going to skip these two banners, but I have a question.
Is Swift Sparrow 2 good on Bridal Cordelia? I have fodder for this skill, and I would like to avoid spending 20K feathers for L&D3. I have neutral Minerva, but I don't want to sacrifice her. Minerva's strong and has exclusive access to Ward Fliers.
phoenix296
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When TA is beneficial to the unit with CA nothing changes.
R (TA) v B (CA)
(-0.20WTA + -0.20TA) + 1 = 0.6 v (0.20WTA + 0.20TA) + 1 = 1.4
When TA is detrimental to the unit with CA it reverses TA's effect.
G (TA3) v B (CA3)
(0.20WTA + -0.20TA) + 1 = 1 v (-0.20WTA + 0.20TA) + 1 = 1
G (TA2) v B (CA3)
(0.20WTA + -0.15TA) + 1 = 1.05 v (-0.20WTA + 0.15TA) + 1 = 0.95
G (TA1) v B (CA3)
(0.20WTA + -0.10TA) + 1 = 1.10 v (-0.20WTA + 0.10TA) + 1 = 0.90
G (NO TA) v B (CA3)
(0.20WTA) + 1 = 1.2 v (-0.20WTA) + 1 = 0.80
That's why it was so confusing.
Having Triangle Adept 3 gives Mathilda neutral damage but, going down to Triangle Adept 2 and 1 made Mathilda weaker and the opponent stronger.
I can understand that No Triangle Adept against Mathilda means normal Triangle Weapon rules, just got confusing with Triangle Adept.
And then, I mentioned the video raised more questions than it answers: Mages can't inherit Cancel Affinity but Colourless units can.
I'm wondering if Cancel Affinity will work exactly the same way with Colourless units against -raven tomes.
phoenix296
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To put it in simpler terms lower ranks of TA give a weaker advantage when CA isn't in effect and a stronger advantage when it is. Basically as CA's text says, it reverses what TA does.
I'd have to imagine raven tomes work exactly the same way. Just replace the green unit with a Raventome+TA and replace the blue unit with a colorless unit+CA in the calculations above.
Wyndstryker
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20 orbs...lets see what I'll pull......
-Atk/+Res Mathilda
-Atk/+Res Mathilda
I just checked my Mathilda, Spd Up/Res Down.
I don't know if that's good because she has strong Res and it will be 31 instead of 34 neutral.
Sushen
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Death blow 3 is the way to go. I've compared LD, DB and fury. Mine uses brave bow and rocks with it.
Wyndstryker
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I'd say Alm banner. Delthea and Mathilda are both quite interesting. Delthea can probably be a blue Linde and Mathilda's skills can throw the meta out the window.
Spent just under 30 orbs sniping reds on Celica's banner. I pulled a 5* Seliph (what is with this game and off-banner pulls?) and a Saber, which I consider pretty lucky.
Out of all the characters introduced Saber's probably the only one I actually liked enough in SoV to pull for. Mathilda's cool but blue lance cavalry units are so common and everything she does for me aesthetically Titania does better.
Guess I'll start stockpiling orbs again now. There's some good skills on the units here but I don't want to waste everything getting skills to inherit then miss out on a character I really like when they're introduced.
Out of all the characters introduced Saber's probably the only one I actually liked enough in SoV to pull for. Mathilda's cool but blue lance cavalry units are so common and everything she does for me aesthetically Titania does better.
Guess I'll start stockpiling orbs again now. There's some good skills on the units here but I don't want to waste everything getting skills to inherit then miss out on a character I really like when they're introduced.
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