Which doesn't happen everytime. Forza had micro transactions since 3 and this is the first time they fucked it up and apparently force the player to grind.
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Forza 5 Micro transactions price table : or how to do it wrong
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DieEnteWurzel
Member
is this confirmed? how can this happen??
It is bad enough with free mobile games that push this shit on you. Worse with paid mobile games. If this becomes a standard thing with SIXTY DOLLAR retail games.. fuck this generation. If people start buying into this shit, the only thing it will do is keep pushing the grind further and further.
Last generation, a new car might only take 5-10 races. This generation, I wouldn't be surprised if it could take 50 or more. Anything to push the game currency to people who (understandably) don't want to play the same race over and over to get to the next checkpoint.
Last generation, a new car might only take 5-10 races. This generation, I wouldn't be surprised if it could take 50 or more. Anything to push the game currency to people who (understandably) don't want to play the same race over and over to get to the next checkpoint.
isn't this exactly what microsoft did "last gen" with microsoft points?
i also see this in every F2P ever... always buy an even amount of fantasy currency (e.g. 4000 crystals) for lots of real money and the ingame prices are uneven all the time (e.g. 3957 crystals for a shiny hat). this way players loose the sight of how much money they spent, because fake currency is pretty high numbers, and after a purchase they have a small amount of fake currency left, and its just a bit too less to buy a new shiny thing (which will cost you like 57 crystals and after the shiny hat you have only 43 crystals left) , so you purchase more fake currency and then it's welcome in the loop
Basileus777
Member
It's a common trick in F2P games. Some even use multiple fake currencies to befuddle the customer even more. I'd have less anger at micro-transactions if they didn't resort to these sorts of scummy psychological tricks to part people from their money. I really wish a platform holder would say no, everything has to be sold in real money, not fake tokens or other nonsense.
UnluckyKate
Member
it was from yesterday stream on the second biggest french gaming site Gamekult. So yeah, confirmed to be in the retail game
Primedoughnut
Banned
This!
Either go f2p with micro transactions or go full price content complete...
Don't start fucking nickle and diming us because you think you can...
This shit is bad enough on mobile, it should never be encouraged to go mainstream on home consoles....
Christ, the fucking gaming business if so broken at this time....
I've never bought any tokens in the Forza series...who would? I guess maybe the lazy or those that don't like a challenge.
I thought it was normal to race like crazy and "grind" (I don't consider it grinding) for the really expensive cars. I've done this for many years, across many racers, and never even thought of it as anything other than having to win a lot and race a lot for the best vehicles or an expensive car I want.
I wish they would drop the tokens/dlc that unlocks stuff, but still leave the difficulty and "grinding" to gain access to things. I like it "old-school" difficulty wise.
I don't want to pay to access things that should be free, but I also DO NOT want things handed to me like I'm a baby!
I thought it was normal to race like crazy and "grind" (I don't consider it grinding) for the really expensive cars. I've done this for many years, across many racers, and never even thought of it as anything other than having to win a lot and race a lot for the best vehicles or an expensive car I want.
I wish they would drop the tokens/dlc that unlocks stuff, but still leave the difficulty and "grinding" to gain access to things. I like it "old-school" difficulty wise.
I don't want to pay to access things that should be free, but I also DO NOT want things handed to me like I'm a baby!
Looks like people forgot what mircro transactions really meant. I ll go as far as saying micro refers to cents to me...
as Basileus777 said, the trick is old and common, but what microsoft did here is disastrous... isn't this illegal? i mean false advertisement, selling the worst options as the best should be either illegal or legal limbo... at least in europe
I agree with you in spirit but I think you can get away with using the term for $1 or $2 transactions.
I miss the hell out of Tokyo Extreme Racer. Played it a lot back in the PS2 days...
daninthemix
Member
The worse thing of all is that there are enough gamers out there who have the money to burn that this will probably pay off for MS.
Interfectum
Member
This has to be a mistake. Logically it doesn't make any sense.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Yes. I'm not sure about the get paid more money per race tho. How much money would one earn (without grinding a specific) on average in Forza 4, early in the career? Felt about the same (relatively speaking to the cost of cars in the game) but I honestly don't remember. Another thing that pissed me off but hopefully they've already patched in is that there was no way to sell a crappy or unwanted car to get at least some credits back. I mean, of course for the end game I'll want 'em all but while I'm working on the career I need every scraps I can make to afford the next car... or maybe I'm blind and indeed you can resell, I don't wanna swear by it.
BakedSardine
Banned
It's brilliant - you can grind for tokens or buy them. If you choose to buy them, you get a better deal by 'grinding' your purchases.
It's so meta.
It's so meta.
Sadly the devs just make pachislot and related games now. The series was as addictive as Trackmania, you just had to race one more rival.
That's F2P games for you.
MrCookiepants
Member
I'm sure it's a mistake. This breaches consumer law.
flyinpiranha
Member
That's fucked up. Hopefully people that buy it see that it's fucked up and only choose the first option.
I'm guessing they are idiots and that's a pricing error. If that's legit. Fuck MS hard. I will never go back to them, that is straight up price gouging and misleading.
I'm guessing they are idiots and that's a pricing error. If that's legit. Fuck MS hard. I will never go back to them, that is straight up price gouging and misleading.
The only thing missing is a special microtransaction that allows you to buy a batch of 100 single-token packs at a time. I wonder what should be the right price for such a valuable option.
EDIT: wait, I thought that the "recommended" and "best value" were added by the OP as a joke but now I see they are in the table. That is almos false advertising!
WrenchNinja
Member
The thing about these f2p models I dont get is, why would I pay you money to not play your game? Do you not want want me to play your game? Cause that's what you're telling me when you do this stuff. It's not worth playing ypur game and instead I should buy my way through.
God i hate microtransactions, i wish people wouldn't buy any of them then developers would understand most people don't want them. I don't mind lengthy DLC that comes months later with new levels etc for certain games where its obvious they have developed it after the game released and are making it for fans to buy if they want but microtransactions and DLC on the disk really needs to stop.
Basileus777
Member
Gambling. It's what a lot of them actually are.
Silphonica
Banned
Just buy 100, 80 times. No bother.
Mt Heart Attack
Member
Lol great value for whom? Ridiculous, and probably illegal too.
Not when there is so many hundred cars that would require an obscene amount of time grinding to get enough credits to buy them.
Also you add the DLC cars, which you also have to buy with in game currency even after paying real money for the dlc
Interferon
Member
This kind of shit is what downgraded M$ massively for me over the last couple of years as a company.
I hope more and more people see this crap
I hope more and more people see this crap
Vorg
Banned
I was thinking of something that suggests that if you buy it you're actually being a fool. Like suckerfee. Or something like that. I'm sure someone will come up with something better.
The devil has a name, Forza 5.
Wow, and according to eurogamer, the more expensive cars cost around million tokens, while you can make 110.000 tokens per hour at the most. So you have to grind up 10 hours, give or take, for cars that are already in the game which you paid 60 dollars for. Who the fuck came up with this shit ?
Shotgun Kiss
Member
So something is only worth complaining about when it affects you personally.
You're a shitty person, and that was a shitty post.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
I hope this shit bites MS in the ass. they sell 60 dollar games and still do micro-transaction bullshit? they deserve to go bankrupt.
Thats one of the biggest things for me, you have paid for the game and its contents, you shouldn't have to grind for 50 hours to buy a few of the best cars. I'm not saying games shouldn't have grinding in them but it needs to be realistic grinding like say 1 hour of events to buy the best car in the game etc.
Microtransactions are alright i suppose if people simply dont want to grind at all, but don't then lengthen grinding just to try and force people into paying.
The one in Ryse sure is.
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