Psycho_Mantis
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Forza 5 wouldn't have been 1080p, 60fps without access to Xbox One's cloud
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Netherscourge
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Gotcha. After re-reading the article, it makes more sense now.
Yeah, that is definitely something that's easy to miss on a first read. Updated my post.
There's a reason everyone is making the same mistake here though. We're thinking "computational resources", they're saying "human resources".
We need a more accurate title.
MWS Natural
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Bingo.
That first post
gundamkyoukai
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WOW what a load of trash trying to make things sound better than they should be .
Even if it saves them time a machine that was not so under power could have done the same thing with better gfx in all areas.
Even if it saves them time a machine that was not so under power could have done the same thing with better gfx in all areas.
You can really spot people who fail to notice that an interview is PR but still be suprised that is PR. Shocking.
From the header paragraph:
I wish more people would read before they react. No, no one is claiming that computation is being handled in the cloud. It's saying that having mature tool-sets for network functions available as standard in the development environment allowed more time/energy to go into optimizing.
I wish more people would read before they react. No, no one is claiming that computation is being handled in the cloud. It's saying that having mature tool-sets for network functions available as standard in the development environment allowed more time/energy to go into optimizing.
BlastProcessing
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It's understandable. OXM came up with a really bad/misleading headline.
NoirVisage
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you're almost adorable in your dogged blindness.
page 3 and still what you wrote lol
Yeah, I went "wait what, seriously?", read the article, then I got it. It's not about the cloud literally enabling better graphics, it's that the cloud shaved off the development workload of creating this infrastructure so they'd spend more time fine tuning the graphics engine. Basically nothing a delay couldn't have also done (just look at Driveclub for that matter, not going for 60 FPS it seems but higher fidelity), and admittedly with the purported track number maybe they should have done that anyway.
NullPointer
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So, its something like the efficiencies you'd get with say, mature tools and a simple hardware architecture.
Makes perfect sense.
Before Forza 4's launch, he said they couldn't add day/night & weather as resources were limited, i.e people working on ai couldn't be switched over to work on said features. Devs work on their area of expertise, and nothing else.
People just want to have a knee-jerk "omg microsoft is so dumb" (which I totally believe, by the way) reaction and then fellate the first post.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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LOL! Someone needs to test this out.
SRTtoZ
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Understood BUT are you telling me without a cloud server, they wouldn't be able to get this game to 1080p? Either way its bullshit.
I understand that the Cloud isnt giving it processing power, it gave them time to optimize, but there's not a lot going on in Forza folks. Its also got 50% less cars then previous and less tracks. What were they working on exactly??
I'm literally laughing. I keep trying to finish my shift but this thread is amazing. Like, zero fucks for the first paragraph lol.
I have no idea about development workflow. But I do know a bunch of people didn't read jack shit and it's entertaining. A discussion on the development of games and why he might be lying would be cool too but not as funny.
Netherscourge
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So, they're saying that letting the cloud CPUs handle AI opponents freed up extra hardware resources from the XB1 so they could reach 1080p/60fps.
AI opponents that only exist online. The game itself runs at 1080p/60fps online and offline.
In other words, they would not have been able to have BOTH A.I. Car Bots and 1080p/60fps at the same time without letting the "cloud CPUs" handle the A.I. bots while online.
The XB1 hardware, by itself, could not do both. It had to give up some of the CPU processing to the cloud for the A.I. bots, in order to dedicate the rest of the console to reaching 1080p/60fps, WHEN USING THE A.I. BOTs.
Bottom line - you play the whole game in 1080p/60fps, online and offline. It's just that the A.I. bots require a cloud connection, since the cloud CPUs control them, not the XB1 hardware.
AI opponents that only exist online. The game itself runs at 1080p/60fps online and offline.
In other words, they would not have been able to have BOTH A.I. Car Bots and 1080p/60fps at the same time without letting the "cloud CPUs" handle the A.I. bots while online.
The XB1 hardware, by itself, could not do both. It had to give up some of the CPU processing to the cloud for the A.I. bots, in order to dedicate the rest of the console to reaching 1080p/60fps, WHEN USING THE A.I. BOTs.
Bottom line - you play the whole game in 1080p/60fps, online and offline. It's just that the A.I. bots require a cloud connection, since the cloud CPUs control them, not the XB1 hardware.
3rdamention
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Yes, what was said was PR bullshit and people call them out for it, am i missing something?
BlastProcessing
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How about Bingno?
Again, this would be a good time to carefully reread what the OP actually say and not just the headline.
The point was that the Cloud stuff was so easy to code that they could spend less man hours on drivatars and more man-hours on performance.
LowEndTorque
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Had to read it a second time to grasp what was being said. The real point is almost hidden within a cloud of PR fluff. Almost like the little disclaimer/fine print thingies at the bottom of a contract. Title is intentionally misleading and so is most the wording of the article.
For example
Makes it sound like this is all about cloud computing rather than giving the developer some extra free time.
lol.
You forgot about ordering dinners (Ryse).
For example
Makes it sound like this is all about cloud computing rather than giving the developer some extra free time.
lol.
You forgot about ordering dinners (Ryse).
But he is saying that compute is being done in the cloud...
"The reason we say that, though, is because we could have done cloud-powered opponents last generation, but we would have had to have done all the infrastructure," he continued. "Now with Xbox One we get servers, we get Azure, we get Thunderhead, and it's so easy to plug into."
Microsoft's Azure server network "allows you to bring a lot of computational power and server bandwidth to bear," Greenawalt explained. "It scales automatically and you don't have to write for it, so it's an instant server. It's basically a technology that allows you to do cloud computing very cheaply and very easily. It just automatically scales for the amount of people.
it is being used for oponents ai, and this is where a lot of local compute time is being saved. Supposedly.
He is saying the Azure service means they don't have to spend time developing it themselves, but it's the offload of compute which enables the performance improvement.
"The reason we say that, though, is because we could have done cloud-powered opponents last generation, but we would have had to have done all the infrastructure," he continued. "Now with Xbox One we get servers, we get Azure, we get Thunderhead, and it's so easy to plug into."
Microsoft's Azure server network "allows you to bring a lot of computational power and server bandwidth to bear," Greenawalt explained. "It scales automatically and you don't have to write for it, so it's an instant server. It's basically a technology that allows you to do cloud computing very cheaply and very easily. It just automatically scales for the amount of people.
it is being used for oponents ai, and this is where a lot of local compute time is being saved. Supposedly.
He is saying the Azure service means they don't have to spend time developing it themselves, but it's the offload of compute which enables the performance improvement.
Alebrije
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So they used the cloud to develop the game , but you do not need it to run Forza in the Xbone?
This is actually a great question. According to this article, playing offline will cause a degradation in either resolution, frame rate, or physics quality.
fastford58
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Is MS doing this? Seriously? Holy fuck...
Garrett 2U
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Netherscourge
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No. You only need the cloud to race against the A.I. bots.
The A.I. bots are controlled by the CPUs in the "cloud", not on the XB1 hardware.
The game always runs at 1080p/60fps, online and offline.
I don't see anyone in this thread proclaiming the power of the cloud. In fact, I don't see any positive spin from any members.
You mad because you misread it, too?
NullPointer
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Today seems to be the day where the pre-180 marketing messages get one last gasping little nudge into the public sphere before launch.
Because thats just a swell idea.
SRTtoZ
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So its being used for that Driveatar thing basically?
Soooo...if the cloud powers the AI drivers, what happens when there is no cloud?
Serious question.
Does the game take a hit in the fps department or something? or is this just more of the typical MS "cloud" bullshit?
Serious question.
Does the game take a hit in the fps department or something? or is this just more of the typical MS "cloud" bullshit?
I would lol if there was no AI without a constant connection
Imperfected
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Why would the people who do 3D graphics on the game have been out looking for server solutions?
Alebrije
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Ok so if you are offline the only downgrade will be the A.I. bots behavior?
I like the bold. It's eye catching.
greenawalt has been spewing nonsense about "teh cloudz" since the forza reveal. isn't the only cloud use in forza for their asynch ai? and if you don't play online you download an initial set of bots.. so their game wouldn't run at it's current resolution without the ai data being elsewhere? i smell bullshit.
Pretty much. They'd just fall back to their standard behavior.
People called them out for saying that they used cloud processing to make graphics better on the fly. Except they never said that. They said that by not having to be as hands on with the networking part of the game they could spend resources (people, not computational power) elsewhere, thus giving them time to polish up the graphics. Only a handful of people, if that, called them out on their development workflow, which was the actual gist of the article.
Garrett 2U
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Games have budgets. If you don't have to spend that budget on developers to work on a server solution, you can spend that money on graphics development.