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[APZonerunner]

Just got back from a UK Press Xbox Play/Interview/Chat event at E3 for this and I have to say it's really a gigantic, gigantic improvement over Forza 2. Great stuff.

 

[Iknos]

The "seating" position is much closer in this Gamespot video than in the R8 video. I wonder if it's adjustable.

Well, I've noticed that in the conference showing, it was single screen and the view was more realistic as in it was in the position of where your head would be. In this view you can see your mirrors easily.

But in the pics of the 3 screen setup, the cockpit view comes up a bit closer to the wheel, and the right and left screens show you things like your mirrors.

So maybe that footage is coming from the middle screen of a 3 screen setup.

 

[jaydogg691]

Which Forza 3 did you play? Everyone else (including myself) played the 60fps one. You should have asked for the 60fps version. They were hiding these from you.

I was playing on the steering wheel setup (the one to the right of setup with the hydraulics system) with the 3 screens (which was badass). I know the difference between 60 and 30fps and the cockpit view runs at 30 frames pre-second, just the like the startup, car selection and replays from the demo I played. The game runs at 60fps when playing from 3rd person, 1st person and the hood perspective. The game still has months to go, so probably that will be fixed in the release.

 

[FrankT]

Which Forza 3 did you play? Everyone else (including myself) played the 60fps one. You should have asked for the 60fps version. They were hiding these from you.

:lol

 

[Iknos]

I was playing on the steering wheel setup (the one to the right of setup with the hydraulics system) with the 3 screens (which was badass). I know the difference between 60 and 30fps and the cockpit view runs at 30 frames pre-second, just the like the startup, car selection and replays from the demo I played. The game runs at 60fps when playing from 3rd person, 1st person and the hood perspective. The game still has months to go, so probably that will be fixed in the release.

Is it 30fps with motion blur?

 

[evolution]

Jeez we need clarification on this.

 

[Shogmaster]

I was playing on the steering wheel setup (the one to the right of setup with the hydraulics system) with the 3 screens (which was badass). I know the difference between 60 and 30fps and the cockpit view runs at 30 frames pre-second, just the like the startup, car selection and replays from the demo I played. The game runs at 60fps when playing from 3rd person, 1st person and the hood perspective. The game still has months to go, so probably that will be fixed in the release.

I played in nothing but cockpit view. It was 60 fps. If anything, cockpit view is easier to render @ 60 fps, since a huge portion of the screen is covered by fairly static element, which makes your supposition rather wacky.

 

[rjcc]

gamersyde gameplay video is up:
http://gamersyde.com/news_7975_en.html

 

[Onemic]

I played in nothing but cockpit view. It was 60 fps. If anything, cockpit view is easier to render @ 60 fps, since a huge portion of the screen is covered by fairly static element, which makes your supposition rather wacky.

Wouldn't it actually be much harder as the game has to render that rather highly detailed static element. I thought the main reason cockpit view wasn't put into racing games until recently was because they used too many resources.

 

[Slayer-33]

Wow the internet seems to be getting RAPED today.. everywhere I go it's slloooooooww.

 

[Shogmaster]

Wouldn't it actually be much harder as the game has to render that rather highly detailed static element. I thought the main reason cockpit view wasn't put into racing games until recently was because they used too many resources.

It's much harder to render moving scenery. They didn't do cockpit views because they didn't want to model all those interiors. Modeling with such detail = lots of work = lots of money.

 

[eso76]

holy shit at that Gamersyde video. The cars and track are amazing.
I only wish i could see a replay

Damn, gamespot stage demo is not working for me : \


worked !
beautiful, replay angles vindicated ! car selection screen is much more stylish. Can't wait

 

[golem]

Played some tonight. Good stuff.

Game feels great from cockpit mode.. but it doesn't seem to me that its 60fps (not saying im an expert or didn't have a bunch of alcohol in my system, but that's what I felt)

 

[faberpach]

I want to know info about weather options... or it will be always sunny in forzaville?

 

[Opus Angelorum]

gamersyde gameplay video is up:
http://gamersyde.com/news_7975_en.html

Looks fantastic, although I hope the aliasing(?) seen on the dashboard is due to the video.

 

[Len Dontree]

Played some tonight. Good stuff.

Game feels great from cockpit mode.. but it doesn't seem to me that its 60fps (not saying im an expert or didn't have a bunch of alcohol in my system, but that's what I felt)

Ha, I was there (Thanks a million, Che!)...Got back a little while ago, my body 'n' brains plied with whiskey. @_@ Fun times, the motion simulator was a trip and perhaps not the best idea after my fourth drink as far as legitimate impressions go, but overall, I love what I saw. Very smooth...bonnet or first person view felt more like 60fps than cockpit or 3rd person views did, but who knows. Cockpit view is a little tight for my tastes, but it's still a nice addition (especially if you have a 3 screen set-up with full motion seat and the new wheel). I tend not to use cockpit view as more than a novelty anyway though.

The tracks were great, all 3 variations on the rocky hillside Spanish "fantasy" track from the trailer...Very sharp backgrounds, nice elevation changes and a couple of tricky turns here and there. Felt like Forza, but better. I wish I could've checked out the livery or video editing, but I understand those features not being available for this event.

 

[acm2000]

so 30fps with motion blur in cockpit, 60fps everywhere else? i could live with that, if the cockpit has the same atmosphere that GRiD portrays, would prefer all 60fps with motion blur tho

we need che to confirm

 

[JimiNutz]

Graphics look great but the cockpit mode in Shift makes the racing seem so much more visceral.
I'm not really a fan of racing sims but I'd still like to try both this and Shift out.

 

[Psychotext]

Just watched the Gamersyde footage. Looking great.

Can't wait for a proper 720p capture.

 

[eso76]

so 30fps with motion blur in cockpit, 60fps everywhere else? i could live with that, if the cockpit has the same atmosphere that GRiD portrays, would prefer all 60fps with motion blur tho

we need che to confirm

i'm not sure who spread this rumor but judging by the videos (i know they are encoded at 30 fps but you still see a difference...60fps content encoded at 30fps retains omitted frames in the form of motion blur) there's absolutely no difference when the visual switches. It could still be 30fps + motion blur, but there's absolutely no reason why rendering a cockpit would be more demanding than rendering the whole car in front of you. Maybe someone just saw a replay (which is pretty much guaranteed to run at 30fps+motion blur) through cockpit camera and thought that was ingame.


I'm surprised they have that many cars to choose from on the showfloor, since we had only seen the Audi R8 cockpit i assumed it was the only fully modeled car they had at this time, which is what made me doubt the october release.


btw, I need more videos.
MORE MORE MORE

 

[Brashnir]

i'm not sure who spread this rumor but judging by the videos (i know they are encoded at 30 fps but you still see a difference...60fps content encoded at 30fps retains omitted frames in the form of motion blur) there's absolutely no difference when the visual switches. It could still be 30fps + motion blur, but there's absolutely no reason why rendering a cockpit would be more demanding than rendering the whole car in front of you. Maybe someone just saw a replay (which is pretty much guaranteed to run at 30fps+motion blur) through cockpit camera and thought that was ingame.


I'm surprised they have that many cars to choose from on the showfloor, since we had only seen the Audi R8 cockpit i assumed it was the only fully modeled car they had at this time, which is what made me doubt the october release.


btw, I need more videos.
MORE MORE MORE

You can always see one, and can often see portions of two rear-view mirrors in cockpit mode though. Is there any rear-view cameras in chase mode? Rendering the mirrors could possibly account for the difference.

 

[eso76]

how to roll your car offscreen vid from ign !

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14345839/forza-3/videos/forza3_howtorollyourcar.html

(apparently, by hitting the "roll car now !" button )

 

[Diablohead]

Debug is awesome, let us play with it in the final

 

[eso76]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-forza-motorsport/50406

Yay ! replays have improved tenfolds (like everything else, apparently)

(the audi R8 closeups at the end of the video: Drool
if it wasn't for a hint of tearing at the beginning i'd say it's prerendered stuff, holy shit at the interiors)

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-forza-motorsport/50406

Yay ! replays have improved tenfolds (like everything else, apparently)

(the audi R8 closeups at the end of the video: Drool
if it wasn't for a hint of tearing at the beginning i'd say it's prerendered stuff, holy shit at the interiors)

Holy crap at the car model.

And Forza 3 is a turducken, gametrailers exclusive!

 

[Psychotext]

how to roll your car offscreen vid from ign !

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14345839/forza-3/videos/forza3_howtorollyourcar.html

(apparently, by hitting the "roll car now !" button )

God damn it looks good when he pauses it and pans around the car.

 

[proposition]

Did anyone comment on that awesome bluff by Che a few weeks ago, implying that the cockpit view wouldn't be in F3? Nice work.

 

[RSTEIN]

Did anyone comment on that awesome bluff by Che a few weeks ago, implying that the cockpit view wouldn't be in F3? Nice work.

Yes, he's a prick

 

[Falagard]

Did anyone comment on that awesome bluff by Che a few weeks ago, implying that the cockpit view wouldn't be in F3? Nice work.

Ya, a few people have mentioned it. I agree - it was a well played deception.

 

[RSTEIN]

Ya, a few people have mentioned it. I agree - it was a well played deception.

I would say that most people here on the forum knew about 90% of the stuff revealed at the conferences. I was genuinely shocked when the view switched to cockpit during the stage video. I think I may have done a fist pump. Well played, Che. Well played.

 

[Falagard]

I would say that most people here on the forum knew about 90% of the stuff revealed at the conferences. I was genuinely shocked when the view switched to cockpit during the stage video. I think I may have done a fist pump. Well played, Che. Well played.

I was surprised and impressed by rolling and cockpit view. The video editor which allows you to export .wmv files and upload them to forzamotorsport.net is going to produce some amazing results.

Graphically it looks very nice. The replays are much better - that GameTrailers video shows them off. I have a list of games I'm really looking forward to this holiday, and Forza 3 is right up there with the rest, if not jockying for top position.

 

[pswii60]

Forza 2 was boring as hell IMHO, but this looks like loads of fun. Interesting environments/tracks and you can spin your car over. That's what it's all about!

 

[weedlewalker]

Interesting environments/tracks and you can spin your car over. That's what it's all about!

Yep that is what sim racing is all about!!!

 

[acm2000]

Forza 2 was boring as hell IMHO, but this looks like loads of fun. Interesting environments/tracks and you can spin your car over. That's what it's all about!

the only thing boring was the lack of tracks, needed more, and the fact that its campaign progression was as retarded and grinding as GTs

 

[∀ Narayan]

Is there a decent wheel out there that is both compatible with the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3?

Game looks freaking awesome.

 

[rjcc]

the only thing boring was the lack of tracks, needed more, and the fact that its campaign progression was as retarded and grinding as GTs

yeah the same campaign progression again after forza 1 and the gran turismos just put me to sleep, I hope it's mixed up better now, and please turn10 if you're listening -- when I'm racing a five race series with six cars, I have to win every one to progress, and one car is wayyyyy faster than the others, then it's really only a two car race. don't do that.

 

[Big Takeover]

These new videos look fantastic. I can't wait to see some direct feed.

so 30fps with motion blur in cockpit, 60fps everywhere else? i could live with that, if the cockpit has the same atmosphere that GRiD portrays, would prefer all 60fps with motion blur tho

we need che to confirm

I'm sure he'll be happy to confirm that the game, and it's brand new graphics engine is in an unfinished state.

Wake me in September if it looks like we still have a problem.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Played some tonight. Good stuff.

fuck my life, that's hawt

 

[Rad Agast]

Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano

A.K.A. Sex on wheels

 

[jonah777]

Played some tonight. Good stuff.

How exactly would you get this to work from one Xbox?

 

[h3ro]

How exactly would you get this to work from one Xbox?

It doesn't. You need three 360s connected via system link and three copies of the game.

 

[RSTEIN]

http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211099/

Great sit down chat with Che & the boss man + lots of ingame stuff.

 

[Diablohead]

How exactly would you get this to work from one Xbox?

You don't, the left and right sides are other 360's synced with the main box, you need 3 consoles and 3 copies of the game.

Forza 1 and 2 both allow multiple screens, but with Forza 1 you had to use a special name when creating your save to enable it.

 

[pedrothelion]

I'm excited to hear they are changing the single player to some kind of dynamic calendar system. It sounds awesome and they definitely needed to change up the single player game.

I am a bit disappointed about the way they're describing the online multi-player. It basically sounds like what they've done with the first two Forza games in that all ranked games are essentially rooms created by other players. All this means is that half the rooms are going to be U class oval races and now drag races.

I was hoping to hear about a Halo type of matchmaking system where Turn 10 sets the individual types of races and every one picks from that play list. Maybe they'll end up with something like that but it doesn't sound like it from the interviews so far.

 

[jonah777]

It doesn't. You need three 360s connected via system link and three copies of the game.

holy... ok so that is strictly enthusiast then. thanks for the info.

 

[clashfan]

gamersyde gameplay video is up:
http://gamersyde.com/news_7975_en.html

That looks fantastic.

 

[Diablohead]

http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211099/

Great sit down chat with Che & the boss man + lots of ingame stuff.

This is so awesome, thanks! exporting replays to WMV is omg perfect, thank you turn 10!

 

[RSTEIN]

I am a bit disappointed about the way they're describing the online multi-player. It basically sounds like what they've done with the first two Forza games in that all ranked games are essentially rooms created by other players.

Yeah, this is my worry as well. I just want to play standard races most of the time. In my perfect world, the only real thing that should be fiddled with is stock vs. custom. If I want to race an A class car I should be able to easily find an A class game with a race setup that's pretty standard. I don't want a whole bunch of stupid custom games clogging everything up. I hope there's a nice core list of races and I can easily hide/eliminate custom games from my search.

 

[saladine1]

12-6-09...save the date....demo....believe....


....

 

[Diablohead]

More D and C tuned races hopefully, they are so much more fun then S and U because it take's a little more skill to pass and keep speed in every corner, not to say I hate the higher classes but low class racing is special in it's own way.