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Ah, well it was worth a shot.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
........wait
So then there it is!
Shouldn't the whole multiplayer brouhaha be quelled then? You don't technically "see" other players, but you can see where they died and what they had on them at the time. Seeing the contents of their inventory and where they specifically perished seems to paint a picture of their character and the story of how they were killed. Sure, it's not like you and a buddy will be able to go on a raid, or go planet hopping together. But in a mysterious, non-traditional way, wouldn't this indirectly count as multiplayer?
Why isn't this a bigger deal in the relevant threads?
It's unlikely to be Unity based on my experience as a Unity dev. These don't look like Unity folder structures and I don't think the engine is written in .NET.
Also, porting Havok to Unity sounds like a nightmare and more trouble than it's worth.
What "GameSpot videos" are you talking about where it shows Unity? Just curious.
People wanted to journey together despite nobody saying that was a thing. So...
Yeah its def not Unity, it would be my guess as someone said Phyreengine.
Edit: looking through the source of Phyreengine, its definitely it, albeit modified. Considering Journey used the same engine as its base, possibly where his comments have some possible merit as it has been done before.
MisterR
Member
Because despite the developers going out of their way to stress this was a single player experience, several people apparently bought the game with the expectation that they could meet up with their buddies and fly through the universe together. So the developers have lied to them.
No because multiple things were mentioned when saying that there was more. Im also pretty sure he said you wouldnt know what you looked like til you met another player.
Thats extremely incorrect.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Goddamn, are you kidding me?
So people wanted a Destiny-buddy experience in NMS's near-infinite universe? When something of that scale was never, ever hinted at?
If anything like that was even remotely possible then it would have been bullet point number two for this game. It seems like Sean's vague hinting at this gravesite feature enabled people's imaginations to run rampant, expecting a hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy style of game at their fingertips.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't be cool, but I think the people angry about this share some of the blame themselves. What a clusterfuck.
I realize this is veering into off-topic multiplayer talk, but I just needed to react to this info. Apologies.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
That's a huge understatement lol.
He even said that other players could shoot at you even though it would be rare.
There was a bunch of stuff where he talks about a mobile lobby that follows you around, that can support more than two players, and works kind of like Watchdogs. It was in the game informer interview from the cover issue, I think.
I do agree that what you have described is likely what the multiplayer actually "is" though.
Well look at a majority of posts on here in regards to it. A lot of people were expecting a chance to meet another person not a buddy. But that apparently was never a thing, even though it was said multiple times and the dev even commented on how amazing it was that two people managed to meet each other, when they couldn't even see each other.
I dont think it is possible.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Yeah, I am agreeing with you. It really seems to me that anyone saying that he didn't say these things about multiplayer being a part of the game just haven't seen the evidence. Which would be ok if it weren't for them basically calling a whole group of peoples point of view ridiculous. At least examine the flipping evidence.
Aces&Eights
Member
NMS threads have been a little too calm and civil lately. What we need is Sean to announce NMS as a Scorpio launch title with 1 year exclusive MP agreement. Full on lobbies, death match, the whole shebang. That should breathe some life into the threads.
Thats more Phyreengine
Especially since it supports everything that NMS is using and is multiplatform.
Ex:
Give me a way to gamble for NMS skins on a third-party site and I'll be there day one
Zomba13
Member
Really? Didn't the two guys on the stream try and didn't see anything?
Blam
Member
Those won't do anything. Too many planets to matter.
This is a stretch.
stump sock
Member
at this point finding a bunch of "W33DL0RD420" planets would be more interesting than what I'm currently stumbling across. bring it on
While the game has soft image quality due to chromatic aberration and a filter, the game does render at the resolution specified. People are running the game at 8K without the effects and the image is perfect.
They tried to see each other in the game, can't people see graves and named planets though?
Maybe a minor thing but it really annoys me. I was under the impression Sean said those names were actual player discoveries being shown...
Sort of - during the game launch stream he said eventually they would show star systems that had been explored and named. Is this what you're thinking of? https://youtu.be/bk_0ZjEBGxo?t=1m41s
TheSpoiler
Member
You can see other people's named planets. And I guess graves, although that's the first time I've heard of that.
But it seems like the actual interactions beyond seeing a point of death aren't in the game.
They can see planets, but not graves of others
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
The game is playable at 8K?... What fps and what hardware?
This isn't a filter. it is definitely upscaling. Looks just like another game at 720p upscaled to 1080p.
Count the pixels. It doesnt match up with 1080p at all.
I am hearing the experimental patch fixes this via digital foundry.
It's absolutely technically possible.
GTA does it across a huge map by having each player just do the rendering and calculations for the area immediately around them. You only need to do the state for the area immediately surrounding each player, rendered on their own machines.
The size of the map doesn't really make any difference.
Yeah, no, it's not upscaling. Feel free to count the pixels in my 4k screenshots though.
Please take this all with a huge grain of salt:
I've been going through this data and it seems there is a chance that the Dune style sand worms could still be in the game.
If you look under the FlyingSnake species you'll find a material called SANDWORM_MAT.MATERIAL. There is also a BODY_WORM.ENTITY file..
Also, there is a DUSTPARTICLEMAT.MATERIAL in the SNAKEEMERGE folder, which means sand worms could be just a type of flying snake that has it Z location partially below the ground so that in effect it 'flies/clips' through the sand, which in turn may cause rock / dust effects when it emerges from the sand (which would match what it looks like from the trailer).
Again, huge grain of salt. I don't have any tools for yet for viewing the materials, etc.
If anyone wants to investigate further, I'd be very interested.
Edit: Wow, if you do a search all on SANDWORM you return everything about them. Don't look if you don't want it spoiled, as you can see their textures, bones, etc.
Also, it appears that an Eel is a type of water flying snake, and sand worm is a sand flying snake.
I've been going through this data and it seems there is a chance that the Dune style sand worms could still be in the game.
If you look under the FlyingSnake species you'll find a material called SANDWORM_MAT.MATERIAL. There is also a BODY_WORM.ENTITY file..
Also, there is a DUSTPARTICLEMAT.MATERIAL in the SNAKEEMERGE folder, which means sand worms could be just a type of flying snake that has it Z location partially below the ground so that in effect it 'flies/clips' through the sand, which in turn may cause rock / dust effects when it emerges from the sand (which would match what it looks like from the trailer).
Again, huge grain of salt. I don't have any tools for yet for viewing the materials, etc.
If anyone wants to investigate further, I'd be very interested.
Edit: Wow, if you do a search all on SANDWORM you return everything about them. Don't look if you don't want it spoiled, as you can see their textures, bones, etc.
Also, it appears that an Eel is a type of water flying snake, and sand worm is a sand flying snake.
Nostremitus
Member
Yeah... I'm not sure how anyone with a shred of common sense honestly believed this was an MMO... With no subscription... With no PS+ requirement... Made by a small team...
They were certainly never told it was..
They could just as easily tell the game to pull data from the e3 files under certain circumstances as well. With a game like this, just because our small group hasn't seen something yet doesn't mean it isn't possible.
AcademicSaucer
Member
We dont know if those are indeed other player's graves and not randomly generated ones
If you go check my update you'll see that if you do a search on SANDWORM, you'll see all the textures, bones, materials, skins, strips, etc. It actually kind of spoils it now. They definitely appear in the game with all of the associated files. Don't look if you don't want to see what they look like yet.
I sort of regret even looking for them now.
You'll probably find them in later star systems (the ones reached with the Theta Hyperdrive.
Sandworms seem to be a type of sand flying snake, whereas the eel appears to be a type of water flying snake.
TheSpoiler
Member
He didn't say MMO. He said multiplayer. Journey works without PS+, and small teams are not foreign to making online multiplayer experiences.
That's not even mention how the developers said there'd be interactions with other players.
Where can I see your update?
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
People make the weirdest strawman arguments, to push their points... No one is asking for a massive MMO. People wanted the slim chance of seeing another character (like Journey/DS/etc) in game. It adds to the wonder and discovery. That feature, after all this digging through files, still doesn't seem to exist, even though it was stated, numerous times by Sean, to exist.
It's not that hard to understand.
If you want to see all the available files in the PAKs of NMS, here is a full list: http://pastebin.com/5YDGAat3
Might help when trying to find things like the sandworm mentioned previously.
Might help when trying to find things like the sandworm mentioned previously.
Was an edit to my first post about it (look earlier on this page).
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Sure it's technically possible, but when was planet hopping with a buddy promised?
I will concede his vocabulary in describing someone you meet implies you can travel together. But if they don't advertise being able to run around with a pal (which would be a massive feature and a huge draw!) then it must not be possible. You also make it sound as easy as flipping a switch, to add this type of multiplayer. If it was this feasible, I think they would have tried it.
I'm glad this will shut up the "BUT WHERE ARE THE GIANT CREATURES, THE TRAILER BENGHAZI HILLARY LIEEDDDDDD" sect.
TheSpoiler
Member
I really don't want to get into this again, but here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A
There's a bunch more interviews here he flat out states you can meet up with your friends, but the chances of that are extremely rare. You can google the rest if you want.
Back on track, it's not so easy to add multiplayer into a game not even built for it. I don't think anyone is implying that, but at most it'll have to be small, simple things based on coding and not straight up interactions as promised.
The JC3 people did a wonderful job, though, so who knows if modders can't do the same.
ajfoucault
Member
The Half-Life 2 logo has me wondering all kinds of things.
For what it's worth, I don't think this interface has any characteristics that would specifically identify it as a modified version of Unity.
TheSpoiler
Member
Maybe stickers for your ship?