I agree, just sometimes OTs make me really suspicious.
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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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I agree, just sometimes OTs make me really suspicious.
Now I'm imagining they do this in real life too, when buying stuff at the bakery etc.
I'd always go with the user OT's. Publishers making an OT will result in nothing but advertisement. I dont know about you, but I consider "advertisement" and "enthusiasm" two entirely different things. This also raises the question which GAF user impressions in those threads will be bought, which ultimately, are the ones you want to believe in.
Nono situation.
McBradders
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That's unfuckingbelievable... that she calls herself a journalist.
Not even close.
Bullshit OTs get called out, and shitty games sink on GAF regardless of the quality of the OT.
It wasn't even a unique callout. Ashcraft wrote that after reading Andriasang's article on it, which only acknowledged users from 2chan saw the similarities between the characters on the cover and official artwork for Lightning and Noctis. And even so, wouldn't the artist be called out, not the game producer?
Hot Coldman
Banned
That's part of the reason why those sketchy multi-post OTs were outlawed.
Once that door opens, it never closes.
But that almost goes to the issue here, "hey we've all soldout and pretend not to, can we just not waste our energy pretending not to from time to time?"
No you can't. Yes we know you straddle a thin line between truth and the vortex of evil, but goddamnit stay on that line or get left behind. And mocked. And twitter bombed. We don't want to see the man behind the curtain!
I don't know what I'm talking about anymore.
What I thought too. But even as a joke, it was suicidal.
Me too.
A fun mental exercise I like to play when reading about these things is to pretend that these people are in the business of reviewing Ninja Turtles action figures instead of video games just to refresh the ludicrocity
(not a word)
It wasnt a joke. Marketing wise this would be HUGE for devs/publishers, surprised this doesnt come up more often actually.
MiniBossBattle
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I agree. the meltdown and evolution from pure hype and excitement to anger and frustration of the F1-2012 |OT| was glorious and sets a good example of what makes GAF an honest place.
Also, Journey's OT featuring Journey the band was awesome too.
Delusibeta
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RE: Amazon Tony's ban: it's a permaban.
SolidSnakex
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There's no way that he's going to name names after what happened here.
Yeah, figured. The hole is just way too deep. This doesnt solve the problem though, I guess publishers already are interested in buying posts, so I hope they dont really go through with it in a forum that doesnt want it.
Angry Fork
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He always seemed alright to me too, I think people hate him for the VGA's which is always really really bad pathetic corporate bullshit that basically makes fun of gamers at every turn. Celebrities who don't know anything about gaming, more time given to jersey shore monologue's than acceptance speeches, terrible 'nerd' jokes and meme's that are months old and so on.
But I can't say I blame him for that unless he really is the showrunner than I guess you can but he just strikes me as a presenter/coordinator rather than someone who has real control over the entire thing. And even if he did Spike would never let him do a legitimate VGA with people who know what they're talking about.
As for the advertising and shitty journalism, like many things in this world, capitalism is to blame yet again. Blame the journalists that sell themselves out for sure, but remember the system that rewards them for it as well. It will be a good day when people in the video game industry have enough and start to form unions or some sort of ethical constitution for developers and writers, shit will hit the fan.
TheGreatDivide
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It does. I remember an instance once where a guy was offered a press kit to help with his OT. He made it public and there was some backlash and I think he ended up skipping it, but no way he was the only one.
MiniBossBattle
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Now I feel really bad. He sounded earnest in the thread but he of all people needed to phrase it better or know what the rules are. There is a reason why I don't post in certain game thread.
Hmm, what counts as crossing a line? Like, say an artist for a game worked on a title, would it be too much if he/she contributed to unique artwork for the OT? That seems like something awesome, but it would have to be mentioned quite clearly in the thread.
How he went about it seemed like "Hey guys, want companies to play a role in your threads?!" which seems heavily against what GAF strides for. He should have worded what his intentions were, as his post clearly read as if it was written by a marketing guy to help sell products. We don't need PR threads here, we have reviews for that.
True, but if these are the same journalists that are saying that he should watch out for "enemies at PR events," he probably should anyway. Saying stuff like that is just crossing the line even more.
GazzaScotland
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Of course, but if he has been getting threats sometimes its best to keep quite on things, if it is a matter of personal safety.
I know, I'm saying even if he was joking, it probably would have ended badly.
from a few people it has and no dont resort to ridiculous insults, there's far far more than enough actual valid complaints and criticisms to make about her and what she's done for anyone to have any excuse to resort to name calling
TheGreatDivide
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Its not about how he said it, its about his connections and that there are interest groups behind him that are interested in buying user posts.
Magna_Mixalis
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Didn't see this posted yet, but Gamasutra has chimed in. The last paragraph is especially pertinent, I think:
http://gamasutra.com/view/news/1801...Video_game_cultures_weird_identity_crisis.php
Mock if already posted.
http://gamasutra.com/view/news/1801...Video_game_cultures_weird_identity_crisis.php
Mock if already posted.
You obviously missed the Arkham City Reggie interview.
MiniBossBattle
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Wow, I never thought of it that way. Slippery slope indeed.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Perfect. Lets not deviate from the core point of the article. She isn't the only one guilty of this. Almost all of them are.
Yes, THAT is the actual issue at hand and probably the reason for the permban instead of a timed ban.
If it wasnt the reason for the mods, then, despite how much I liked Tony and his deal posts, its definitely the one reason I am glad for they decided on the permban.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I wonder if Rab would write articles for another site after this. Would anyone even offer the chance?
How about GAF threads about this issue! (Unsponsored)
Yup, for the last decade or so, I've mainly stuck to forums for getting gaming news (or sometimes just news in general). Each thread is essentially it's own 'article', written by dozens of editors 1) who are at least interested in the topic at hand instead of being forced to write, 2) who don't bother pulling punches or hiding opinions, 3) who include members of the industry itself, and 4) who aren't susceptible to bribes or other bullshit. I learn more from reading good forum threads than I think I ever could from most major websites. There's a reason why practically every outlet has at one time or another sourced NeoGAF.
GazzaScotland
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With all the publicity and support this has got him, starting his own might not be the worst idea.
GAF (and other gaming forums) already have plenty of marketing moles. I'm not really sure how effective they are, the truth of a game tends to render any sort of fake hype pretty moot.
Canis lupus
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Did Geoff Keighley respond yet?
I didn't like that part of his article too. I understand why only people that are outcasts or on the verge to become one really name names, as those don't have nothing to lose. But then it makes it seem that you just named two small fishes and let the big ones untouched from fear of backlash. Which diminishes your original intent of the article. Can't say though that I wouldn't do the same.
Honestly, I wouldn't see why not. He called out a specific writer, not specific sites. If anything, he's proven he can write content that creates discussion.
Sure, thing is they are hidden away from sight, made not acceptable. Now imagine every OT had clearly visible address/poster which you could ask to sponsor your posts. Now have about 200 vocal Gaffers in one thread, from which about only 30 like the game. Pay $100 to 70 Gaffers and voila, 50/50 split opinion on a game instead of it being almost universally hated. $7000 is a VERY cheap investment for big companies with such a huge change.
Legit question why do people put so much stock in game journos? We live in a time where demos and YouTube gameplay and dev diary videos exist. I'm just asking this hear because it seems like a decent concentration of defenders and naysayers of video game journalism exists here.
ElectricBlue187
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Corporate shill confirmed
Sometimes he responds in a way that clearly shows he doesn't look into it. He was happy the VGAs won an award at /v/'s /v/GAs...for worst video game event. I would hope if he responds, he at least researches what people are having issue with.
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