You know what I mean. In multiplayer, with a damage boost.
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Gears of War Judgement |OT| Brothers from the beginning, Bros till the end
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You know what I mean. In multiplayer, with a damage boost.
mickcenary
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Gone. Good riddance. Damage boosts have no place in MP. Let your skill and ability to choose the right weapon for the right job do the talking. A speed buff is more than enough.
WickedLaharl
Member
Tomb Raider MP is more enjoyable than judgment. That's fucked up.
No way now you just being silly! Tomb Raider is absolute garbage online.
No. Tomb Raider multiplayer is an afterthought with a terrible spawn system, bad netcode and bunny hopping. A lot of matches end up being a 2v2 (quitters galore) which in turn becomes some of the most boring, tedious stuff around.
WickedLaharl
Member
A lot of what you say is true but it is still more fun to play. Camping spawns in rescue with my DB shotgun is awesome.
Yeah that was dumb IMO, as a huge gears fan and about 100 hours in gears 3 i like all the changes. want more maps but i can wait if they are as good as the 4 it shipped with.
njean777
Member
Yeah saying "camping spawns" and having the ability to do that at all instantly makes it horrible.
mickcenary
Member
Lagging like a mofo here down under. Annoying.
whassupbun
Member
You are the worst kind of person.
In Tomb Raider MP, I've seen people dropping landmines and fake ammo boxes (which act as landmines) at spawn point, so the next player get blown up as soon as they spawn, nothing they can do about it, that's bad design right there.
I noticed this being a gigantic problem in just the Overrun demo, a couple dudes putting up turrets at one spawn point can keep the other team camped in.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
plz I played 1 thing of TR multiplayer and never played that beta again.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I still can't believe they only released 4 competitive multiplayer maps and are charging people to unlock the rest.. At least give us 4 unquestionably good maps ;[
COG stim gas lets you instantly get back 100% health as soon as the gas touches you, you never drop a percentage of health while hit in it, you get almost instantly revived from it when killed without getting gibbed/headshotted, even if you die multiple times in the gas from a Rager one-hit beatdown, and can be thrown across the map.
Locust healing takes time to gradually heal a hurt teammate, and can only revive downed teammates, meaning only Grenadiers and no one else, and that revive has the Grenadier standing still (although almost invincible) for a few seconds - sounds balanced to me.
In fact, I wouldn't change a thing for the Overrun balance at all, I'm impressed that they nailed it perfectly since everything has a counter. Even the Engineer turrets are fine because you really need them for Ticker and Wretch rushers, and the recharge time is so long for them even though they last for less than 30 seconds. If you see one, just wait it out and then run in, or hit it with a grenade of a few seconds of Lancer fire. Better yet, as soon as the Engineer who placed the turret dies, his turret disappears.
I don't. I replayed Gears 3 earlier and the campaign is dull as shit. I thought from Shattered Paradise onward was where 3 got good and even that felt extremely dull compared to almost any of the missions in Judgement. People Can Fly really knocked it out of the park.It REALLY feels like it. It's the same standard Gears 3 had, and NONE of the different things about Judgment (save the control changes) - no ammo drops, etc. Sigh...I miss Gears 3 now
mickcenary
Member
Sorry, bro...
Gears 1 and Gears 3 have the same movement speed. The only difference is that Gears 1 has no stopping power, Gears 3 does.
Gears 2 had reduced movement speed to help newer players. (Yes, Cliffy B actually said that).
NO BUY
shinobi602
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SlasherJPC
Banned
Just finished the campaign. While the battles themselves were fun. Nothing exciting happened the entire campaign. Nothing really memorable like in other games. I am pretty shocked actually. I don't play multiplayer for any of the games so I'm just referring to the single player but wow... the best part for me was the beach. All 3 people I know who I've played the prior games with me, were just shaking their heads. WTF happened.
shinobi602
Member
Interesting, I seem to be seeing a lot of the opposite sentiment from other gaffers and reviewers. Looking forward to checking it out soon.
Goodacre0081
Member
Just finished the campaign. While the battles themselves were fun. Nothing exciting happened the entire campaign. Nothing really memorable like in other games. I am pretty shocked actually. I don't play multiplayer for any of the games so I'm just referring to the single player but wow... the best part for me was the beach. All 3 people I know who I've played the prior games with me, were just shaking their heads. WTF happened.
the skyboxes/backgrounds are very nice. probably the only thing that really stood out to me.
Loaded Man
Member
Just finished the campaign. While the battles themselves were fun. Nothing exciting happened the entire campaign. Nothing really memorable like in other games. I am pretty shocked actually. I don't play multiplayer for any of the games so I'm just referring to the single player but wow... the best part for me was the beach. All 3 people I know who I've played the prior games with me, were just shaking their heads. WTF happened.
Sounds like you're experiencing franchise fatigue with Gears. I am having the same feeling after completing the first act. I think it's time for Epic to put Gears on the shelf for a while.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I think the lighting and areas look fantastic. Also enjoyed some of the enviromental hazard challenges, my favorite being the wind, but no great set peices, nothing interesting, no vehicles, no interesting cutscenes, and a final boss that was pretty pathetic. If this wasn't a GEARS game and had no prior expectations to live up to, it would make a great first entry to a series. As it is... as far as single player campaign, it's the worst. Still a fun game, but man were we all disappointed.
It's not fatigue. I just played the new God of War and really enjoyed that. Gears games, me and my buddies just love going through the campaign. The campain here is just severly gimped compared to the old ones. I mean when the extra campaign is better then the entire main campaign, you know there is a problem. Again, nothing memorable in this GEARS game. I can remember things from all previous games no problem. Trying to remember anything from this one a few months from now.... Yeah... Nope... If anything just remembering how disappointing it was. It gets better around the half way mark, but still... NOTHING happens that's worth a damn imo. Also I thought maybe it was just me... nope my friends I played with had the same thoughts, and I asked a few others. Most people I talk to say this just was not up to par when it comes to the campaign.
They were talking about TR, not Gears. It's impossible/stupid for the COG to try something like that. Turret lasts ~8 seconds with no one attacking it and has a fairly long cooldown.
Interesting. I just tried Gridlock on both GeOW1 an GeOW3, and Gears 3 has a much greater sense of speed and fluidity. This won't make much sense but Gears 1 feels significantly 'clunkier'; everything from the ninja roll to weapon aiming is smoother in Gears 3.
Gears 2 multi-player was a really bad experience. Aside from the poor maps, the weapons just never felt quite right. From the little I've played of Judgment, the game seems to be more in line with GeOW3 multi-player than GeOW2 - which is excellent for me.
On the Overrun map in the demo that's a very easy way to dominate early in the round. You can also bait Grenadier locusts and then plop a turret down and get double/triple kills multiple times, the turret is severely OP'ed.
It's better at being used as an offensive weapon than being used as a defensive weapon.
The turret goes away if the engineer dies, if you're talking about a situation where he runs at enemies, puts it down and rolls away. People can just focus on killing him, especially as a ticker you can blow it up in the brief period of startup. The engineer is absolute shit for enemies like serepedes because he only has a shotgun, so he can be pretty gimped during the long cool down. It's needed to activate that fast/be so strong to counter tickers and wretches which are actually extremely powerful units.
On the overrun demo map the locust can spawn as tickers and destroy the leftmost barricade and middle piece before the cog can even reach them. Tickers are GAWDLIKE.
A lot of people in the demo just play as the Grenadier class, so I guess that explains why the turret tactic works overtime. And in general people in the demo suck ass at the game completely, I've gotten enough points to use the mauler in the first round and kept trucking until the middle of the 3rd round.
MrCookiepants
Member
Is this game worth buying for the campaign?
-Loved Gears 1. Beat it 4 times.
-Gears 2 bored me to tears.
-Gear 3 was great. Didn't feel the need to replay, though.
-Loved Gears 1. Beat it 4 times.
-Gears 2 bored me to tears.
-Gear 3 was great. Didn't feel the need to replay, though.
Yeah, basically doing a breakdown just for Engineer on locust combat:
Tickers - His nemesis. They tear through barricades which he needs to fix up, so a quick turret keeps them away giving him time to fix it up. During the cooldown is the main time to strike, but he can just walk up and melee them away.
Wretches - Also an engineer specialty. They go down quick, but if multiple wretches are present and they mix up their lines of approach leaping over barricades can confuse the turret and 2 melee hits = death. They are more effective on some of the other maps due to more hiding space and special climb areas.
Grenadiers - They go slow and have to respect the turret. Not too hard for them to just wait it out, and I believe a single grenade can take it down too.
Kantus - Shouldn't be in the front to get hit by a turret.
Now, I pretty much think the entire second tier shits on him.
Rager - Makes it VERY hard for him to fix barricades. A common tactic for an engineer is to place a turret right in front of a barricade while they take cover and repair. Since this is acting like a weapon, his head is exposed and he is motionless leading to an easy headshot. Which also immediately removes the turret. Plus they can rage if close and take it head on.
Serepede - Shotgun is so damn slow to really do much for them here. Only effective means of attack is to place a turret behind it, but when they are destroying your barricades that is pretty much impossible.
Mauler - Pretty much a literal bitchslap to everything he can do. Shield negates turret and the spin attack can let him be offensive during the short lifespan of it. If he is trying to fix a barricade the main attack will do heavy damage to it and kill him outright.
Corpser - Again, very little he can do. Thing mutilates cover(and him if he's fixing it) and it can hide from the turret long enough to make it go away, and outright destroys it in one hit.
His weaknesses can be remedied by other players and smart playing in general, but he really needs that turret the way it is. Overrun in general is pretty much a slow buildup to being decimated by the locust and the better team will just last a little bit longer.
It depends. It is very different compared to the other games and doesn't really have much in the line of downtime and buildup. It's essentially a ton of combat rooms but right from the start it fires on pretty much all cylinders, throwing out 5+ wretches, boomers, boltok users, etc. along with having special Declassified objectives that you can opt into that make it harder either by beefing up the enemies or hindering you in some way.
It is basically pure gears combat dialed to 11, and I personally am really enjoying it. But I can see why other people would be down on it.
We had a lot of fun last night with the first two chapters of the campaign and survival mode. Judgement fixes many things that Gears 1-3 did wrong for me and my Gears coop buddy's. The Horde parts in the campaign fix the biggest flaw of Gears 2-3 Horde Mode to start the round when everyone is ready before the timer ends. That could have saved a lot of wasted time for me. Jumping from little edges is also a great plus of Judgement. Really like the game so far can't wait to finish the game on Insane with all Declassified Missions.
The Xtortionist
Member
This in particular was very striking to me. From the very first encounter, the game is firing on all cylinders and never lets up for a second. A good number of the encounters also encourage close-range fights (early declassified fight with low visibility and cleaver enemies comes to mind), letting the player decimate enemies with Gnasher hipfire. I personally played through 2-player coop on Hardcore, declassifying all missions and loved it. Best Gears campaign by a mile imo. I thought the increased "intensity" Epic talked about in PR wasn't going to pan out significantly but man was I wrong.
On the other hand, the Aftermath campaign bored the hell out of me. Declassification gimmicks are amazing fun and fucking make the game.
mickcenary
Member
The more I play, the stupider it gets. Spawning and map balance/layout are - for lack of a better term - fucked.
dead monkey uk
Member
Had a couple of hours playing the multiplayer demo last night, think I am going to pass on this gears.
Think I played too much gears this gen, I seem a bit burnt out on the series. Will come back once Gears 4 is released, next gen horde will be epic.
Think I played too much gears this gen, I seem a bit burnt out on the series. Will come back once Gears 4 is released, next gen horde will be epic.
Hardcore is a joke. You basically have to do Declassified to get any challenge whatsoever. Insane better be more difficult.
This game is reminds me of Halo 4, in regards to how map control is essentially dead. With such large maps, sporadic spawning and verticality, you HAVE to run and jump around to find people. No more stand offs, no more holding spots down, no more epic pushes, no more flanking, no more strats, ect. Just run around aimlessly and accumulate kills.
For the most part, controls and weapons are fine. But it goes to show you how awful level design and the lack of Locusts really downgrade the game. I can't tell you how many times I've shot teammates or thrown nades at friendlies, or how many times I've suicided from an explosion because I hit a someone on my team. Ugh. Locusts are the other half of this game. Their design and the call outs were essential queues for helping you distinguish who is who. Plus, they just looked cool.
This game has potential, but it's a fucking mess, to say the least.
This game is reminds me of Halo 4, in regards to how map control is essentially dead. With such large maps, sporadic spawning and verticality, you HAVE to run and jump around to find people. No more stand offs, no more holding spots down, no more epic pushes, no more flanking, no more strats, ect. Just run around aimlessly and accumulate kills.
For the most part, controls and weapons are fine. But it goes to show you how awful level design and the lack of Locusts really downgrade the game. I can't tell you how many times I've shot teammates or thrown nades at friendlies, or how many times I've suicided from an explosion because I hit a someone on my team. Ugh. Locusts are the other half of this game. Their design and the call outs were essential queues for helping you distinguish who is who. Plus, they just looked cool.
This game has potential, but it's a fucking mess, to say the least.
perineumlick
Member
I found the Declassified mission with the poison gas to be memorable, along with the one with the fog. I can't finish the poison one by myself; I need some peeps to co-op it, but no one on my list is playing it, which I find surprising. Then again, there didn't seem to be a big marketing push with this Gears compared to the others.Just finished the campaign. While the battles themselves were fun. Nothing exciting happened the entire campaign. Nothing really memorable like in other games. I am pretty shocked actually. I don't play multiplayer for any of the games so I'm just referring to the single player but wow... the best part for me was the beach. All 3 people I know who I've played the prior games with me, were just shaking their heads. WTF happened.
I really like the sound of the declassified missions plus the dynamic spawn system, in fact the overall more arcade/scoring style of the campaign looks like a lot of fun especially at co-op.
Also to the guys wondering about the low number of players at the MP, tomorrow the game comes out here in Europe so I guess things will get more crowded in a few days.
highrider
Banned
Completely agree. Entertaining missions with variables that keep it interesting.
Then what is the point of having active reload in the game if it doesn't affect gameplay?
You're right on all counts. Gears 1 and 3 movement speed is night and day. Gears 3 is a lot faster, players are more nimble, cover is much less sticky etc. There is no comparison
Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Yup! Hands down the maps are Judgment's biggest problem. Awful design in every way possible. TDM has lost its charm.
Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
If you don't appreciate CoD style FFA, then stay with Gears 3. At least for now.
It's new, fun, and offers a different twist on the Gears formula. If you like Gears then Judgment is worth playing. It isn't better than Gears 3 though if that's what you're asking.
I'm at work but can't help outlining what could be betterin this game. Declassified missions are a great idea, but could have been fleshed out so much more. Oh my goodness, soooooo much potential wasted.
That's really how feel overall. Good core ideas, but wasted potential and half assed, careless execution.
That's really how feel overall. Good core ideas, but wasted potential and half assed, careless execution.
Goodacre0081
Member
it does. getting an active reload in MP still means your reloading your gun faster than normal and some weapons have the AR bar fairly close to the left side of the bar, significantly reducing the reload time. it also creates the possibility of jamming your gun.
AR damage boost, weapon executions and meatshields are still present in in the campaign.
you can always go back to playing the old games. I can totally see myself jumping back and forth between Gears1, Gears3 and Gears:J