Idk, but people here were saying you can use your single player money for online. If that's true I think you'll be able to transfer money through bank accounts.
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GTA Online monetization model leaked. Buy money. [Found on Rockstar Servers]
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Idk, but people here were saying you can use your single player money for online. If that's true I think you'll be able to transfer money through bank accounts.
ShinMaruku
Member
They are in the business of making money they will do whatever they think they can get away with. Now if people don't bite and get milked then next time they won't do so.
Unless they're patching the feature in, I don't see how it's going to happen.
Sigh. The "let everyone buy everything that would ordinarily take time to achieve in a game" being ok mentality is.....disappointing.
It's why this direction is seen as totally fine by the executives because there are enough gamers who are totally down with this style of game design.
I guess eventually we won't be able to have any good multiplayer games without some way for people to spend real money to have a leg up.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
You actually should have a problem with it.
With a full time job you won't have much time for multiplayer, forcing you to use their P2W microtransactions in order to keep up.
As another person with a full time job, I'm livid.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Remember that thing Gen 7 Dogma was so bent upon, of nothing getting in the way of "the fun" in games? The grinding, the learning, the patience? Of how it was better, and that game design was said to have gotten better by doing so?
Generation 8 is truly here.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Yes. The $500,000 in-game money pack is going to cost $500,000.
Naw, fuck this shit. I can make $1 mill every 10 minutes by swimming down to the crashed sub by Los Santos with 1 character, grab the $25k suitcase full of cash, have another character on the beach nearby, and switch back and forth between them over and over with instant load times since they're so close to one another.
Suck it, Rockstar. Anybody who buys these is a fool.
Suck it, Rockstar. Anybody who buys these is a fool.
Right, but isn't souring the GTA name that has earned billions to the point where the next installment sees less sales not really worthwhile? You don't want to push gamers away from your series through policies when it seems like on the single player front, they knocked it out of the park.
I mean if it's really the worst case scenario of p2w, then the next game hype will be full of "how are they going to milk us this time" news articles and opinion pieces.
Well I for one welcome this change! Rarely do I have enough time to compete against online nerds who can play all day without worrying about a career or a family!
The way I see it this is the industry's way of saying 'Hey! Fatty! Stop wasting your time! Get a Job! Move out of your parents basement and shave that neckbeard!'.
Looking forward to a time where the only way you can progress in a game is by buying more of it!
The way I see it this is the industry's way of saying 'Hey! Fatty! Stop wasting your time! Get a Job! Move out of your parents basement and shave that neckbeard!'.
Looking forward to a time where the only way you can progress in a game is by buying more of it!
I know it sucks for you man, but we might or probably will be able to steal from the people that use real money for planes and other vehicles. Steal their shit and sell it in-game, and whoever is involved in the heist gets a cut.
Modern day Robin Hood.
ROFL and you don't think exploits like this won't be immediately patched out once real money enters the picture?
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Lol I seriously doubt something you buy with real money can be lost/stolen for good. If its stolen or lost it'll probably just spawn for you again. Rockstar isnt that moronic.
With how many people bought the game day one, the online portion would't work to begin with. It was honestly a smart move by Rockstar, the two weeks may or may not help at all in the end though.
Well, right now anything you buy in the single player game can actually get lost for good because their garage code doesn't even work properly. They're supposed to be patching it soon though. Lol.
ShinMaruku
Member
Some of the suits probably think "These guys will buy our things regardless, they love our shit" That allows them to think they can get away with it.
yellow submarine
Member
Almost guaranteed to be fixed in the patch on Oct 1. Take note fools, apply the MMO principle of exploit early, exploit often here. If they are going to sell in-game bux for real money, they will plug this hole even faster than a Day0 exploit!
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Why not though? You lose it, you steal someone else's or pony up the dough for another. Seems pretty easy to exploit to me, assuming stolen goods are gone forever.
I wouldn't worry about the PC double dip. It's only a matter of time before there is another player-run server you can connect to that won't have cash transactions and will have a community policing itself against cheaters. Bigger PC games usually have communities that create their own builds that are able to bypass this kind of bullshit eventually.
I mean I can play Everquest with over 1000 people like it was patched to the Kunark expansion like it's 1999 with strict rules against 2 boxing, etc. And the PC player-run version of GTA V will probably be more like an MMO without a 16 gamer limit in the game world.
NullPointer
Member
Yes, and these monetization schemes make it certain that games will continue to require a significant time investment to get da moneyz. In fact, these schemes just make it more profitable to extend the length of those grinds. The longer and more arduous the grind, the more likely people will part with their money to skip past it.
Grinds now exist to justify paid DLC.
You're paying for cash, not items or vehicles. It isn't moronic that you may lose something you payed real money for, it makes buying those things potentially more risky than before.
People being able to lose a ton of shit they payed for with real life money might curve how much people rely on that factor. This implementation of micro transactions could potentially be genius.
Or the opposite happens. This implementation of micro transactions with items that other people can steal from you will cause a huge amount of backlash and will cause Rockstar to change the way the game works in order to accommodate cash purchases being able to be kept.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Because who in their right mind would actually spend money on this then? What happens if you lag out and get your shiny new tank jacked? Lol. Im thinking only the guy who owns it will be able to drive it.
Acti
Member
Sad truth.
ShinMaruku
Member
Yup. Sometimes theses things pervert design to justify their pay scheme.
That's just a single player thing though. They can't do much about it either. If they patch it people will just delete the patch and exploit it offline then patch up later when they have all the money they need.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Why do people spend hundreds of dollars on in-game items for Dota2, TF2, and CSGO?
There's always someone.
Not enough is known about GTA Online to really say whether this is bad or not. I seriously doubt that PVP will involve getting your important vehicles permanently stolen.
The weapons in the game cost next to nothing. You won't need to buy currency to deck yourself out with every in-game weapon. I would be far more concerned about weapon balance in multiplayer than I would "Pay2Win".
Car racing might be the only competitive area where P2W becomes something of a problem.
Is there a property that costs $150 million dollars in the game? Yes. Is there any advantage to owning it. Nope. To me this just feels like an attempt to fuck over 100% completionists or morons that buy in-game items that are merely status symbols, but rational players won't have to worry about much.
The weapons in the game cost next to nothing. You won't need to buy currency to deck yourself out with every in-game weapon. I would be far more concerned about weapon balance in multiplayer than I would "Pay2Win".
Car racing might be the only competitive area where P2W becomes something of a problem.
Is there a property that costs $150 million dollars in the game? Yes. Is there any advantage to owning it. Nope. To me this just feels like an attempt to fuck over 100% completionists or morons that buy in-game items that are merely status symbols, but rational players won't have to worry about much.
Another glorious scenario, someone uses real cash to get GTA money, they buy a expensive plane or car, they look for people to pay to guard said vehicles. Imagine being an undercover thief who gets paid to guard something, and instead steals it right from the owner.
Not only would you get cash from the initial guarding transaction, you also steal what they paid for to begin with. Maximum griefing, awesome inside job heists. I want GTA Online to be incredibly treacherous and grimy.
Yup. It's speculation from my end if real life cash assets can be stolen, I hope I'm right.
Not only would you get cash from the initial guarding transaction, you also steal what they paid for to begin with. Maximum griefing, awesome inside job heists. I want GTA Online to be incredibly treacherous and grimy.
Yup. It's speculation from my end if real life cash assets can be stolen, I hope I'm right.
NullPointer
Member
This right here is when I jump out of this medium. The very wet dream of every suit that whispered about micro-transactions and paying real money for ammo at the beginning of this generation.
The cynical moneygrab of getting people to buy expendable virtual items. Its been creeping into everything, bit by bit, and twisting games, bit by bit.
So I guess Oblivion's horse armor was a good thing now?
I'd play it. Sounds like they could then pay people to constantly grief that person on site as well though.
I always have a problem with such monetization schemes in full priced games. If you have to sell in game money or experience to speed up the progression then maybe there is something wrong with your design. Otherwise you are either not confident in your design or it is set up in a way to leech more money off your customers.
The players are paying for cash, plenty of items or assets will probably stick around after one purchase. Vehicles and other things might be a different ballpark.
But when a game like this completely goes beyond satire and truly blurs the lines between virtual crime and actual crime, isn't that even worse than the complaints about this game being a murder simulator?
It would instead become a more realistic simulator for actual larceny, which then makes this an actual crime game. That sounds more damaging since I think people are way more willing to steal from each other than actually kill each other in real life.
That's why being in a crew will help immensely. The code of GAF Street is you don't fuck with people in GAF Street, or anyone that's a known member on GAF. Everyone else is a target and a sucker. GAF will protect it's own.
EVE Online has ships and other things that are worth thousands of dollars in real life marketplaces, and those ships can be decimated in an instant in certain opportunities. GTA Online having these risks doesn't seem illegal or too far fetched.
GrumpyOutlander
Member
So are the ranks not based on money like GTA IV? I don't mind this unless people can buy rank 100 on day 1.
jediyoshi
Member
Quoting for posterity.